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    Re: Alabama's unquestionably the #1 all-time cfb program. Your #2 through #5?

    https://www.foxsports.com/southwest/...onships-081318

    Not sure what their standard was but they give AU a title in '83 and '93. They have us at 17. You also can see how "old" the Princeton and Yale titles are.

    And, I'd say if Michigan deserves any discussion as being top 10 then so does Tennessee.

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    Re: Alabama's unquestionably the #1 all-time cfb program. Your #2 through #5?

    Thus far, if going by a 4-3-2-1 point system for teams #2 through #5 for those that specifically listed their choices, the order would be: Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma and USC.

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    Re: Alabama's unquestionably the #1 all-time cfb program. Your #2 through #5?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrayTide View Post
    If based solely on number of NCs then.

    1. Alabama 17
    2. Notre Dame 13
    3. Southern Cal 11
    4. Michigan 11
    5. Ohio State 8

    Yeah, but we can't "really" do this because - if we're honest with ourselves - a lot of those early selections were "most popular team with an undefeated record."

    One of the things that helped Alabama in the early 60s was the SEC voters in the polls would "block vote" for the SEC team(s) near the top, especially the best one.
    Rather than having, say, USC and UCLA or Notre Dame and Michigan St splitting voters almost evenly, the Southern portion of the nation would generally stick together.

    So we got a lot of votes from folks in 1961, 1964, and 1965 that one can argue.

    Now - I'm NOT saying that somehow renders those titles meaningless or those were not the best teams in a particular year. I just want us to be faithful to history as it was and not how we
    revise it.

    There's no shame in admitting that Alabama's own student newspaper listed the 1961 title as the first football national title ever won by the school.
    There's no shame in admitting Wayne Atcheson went back and revised our title recognition in the 1980s, either.

    Of course, there's also no shame in us pointing out that whichever consistent way anyone wants to count it, we have more national titles than anyone - well, in the modern era.

    (Again, I hesitate to put a lot of stock in the ancient stuff. Not to rip on our seasoned citizens here, but in all honesty, pre-1950 or so football was.........not as good as what came later).

    I mean, should Notre Dame "really" boast about those titles won in the 40s, when all the good players were off at war?

    (This reminds me of the late Tim Wilson's standup saying he hated Steve Spurrier and saying, "He's the guy who won the Heisman Trophy when all the black players were off fighting in Vietnam").
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    Re: Alabama's unquestionably the #1 all-time cfb program. Your #2 through #5?

    Quote Originally Posted by saturdaysarebet View Post
    Thus far, if going by a 4-3-2-1 point system for teams #2 through #5 for those that specifically listed their choices, the order would be: Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma and USC.
    What separates Notre Dame and Ohio State - TO ME - is we're talking ALL-TIME.

    Post-1965, Ohio State takes it.

    A lot of people forget that Ohio State's 1980s were a lot like our 1980s - good teams on the field, tough schedules, just not quite enough to be the very best - and angry fan bases over just coming up
    short over and over again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    What separates Notre Dame and Ohio State - TO ME - is we're talking ALL-TIME.

    Post-1965, Ohio State takes it.

    A lot of people forget that Ohio State's 1980s were a lot like our 1980s - good teams on the field, tough schedules, just not quite enough to be the very best - and angry fan bases over just coming up
    short over and over again.
    That was a very frustrating decade for Alabama and Ohio State fans.

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    Re: Alabama's unquestionably the #1 all-time cfb program. Your #2 through #5?

    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    That was a very frustrating decade for Alabama and Ohio State fans.
    What's funny is that was the decade of my teens, and I thought Ohio State was sorta out of their minds about going bonkers on Earle Bruce.

    Then I looked in our back yard and realized we were doing the same thing. LOL!

    I mostly thought it was different because I didn't personally recall a time of Ohio State being dominant.
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    Re: Alabama's unquestionably the #1 all-time cfb program. Your #2 through #5?

    1. Alabama

    2. Oklahoma
    3. USC
    4. Notre Dame
    5. Ohio State
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    Re: Alabama's unquestionably the #1 all-time cfb program. Your #2 through #5?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealPokeChop View Post
    1. Alabama

    2. Oklahoma
    3. USC
    4. Notre Dame
    5. Ohio State
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    Re: Alabama's unquestionably the #1 all-time cfb program. Your #2 through #5?

    Quote Originally Posted by B1GTide View Post
    That was a very frustrating decade for Alabama and Ohio State fans.
    It is funny that we Bama fans talk about the 80s as very frustrating because we didn't win any national titles, but from 80-89 we still won 85 games overall and six bowl games. Many schools would celebrate that as the best decade they ever had. We are truly spoiled and wouldn't have it any other way. Roll Tide!

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    Re: Alabama's unquestionably the #1 all-time cfb program. Your #2 through #5?

    In my lifetime...since 1955....
    1. Bama
    2. Ohio State
    3. Oklahoma
    4. Nebraska
    5. Miami

    The 1969 Ohio State team with Jack Tatum and Rex Kern at QB was one of the greatest college football teams of all time.

    The 1966 "Missing Ring" Bama team was the best football team I've ever seen.

    The Oklahoma wishbone teams with Greg Pruett were beyond description.

    Coach Bryant said the Nebraska team of 1970 with Johnny Rogers, Rich Glover etc was the best college team he ever saw.

    The Miami teams under Jimmy Johnson were incredible....

    All of these schools have produced consistently winning programs over a number of years in my era.

    A way subjective subject.....but I'll go with these five....

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    Re: Alabama's unquestionably the #1 all-time cfb program. Your #2 through #5?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamplayer View Post
    It is funny that we Bama fans talk about the 80s as very frustrating because we didn't win any national titles, but from 80-89 we still won 85 games overall and six bowl games. Many schools would celebrate that as the best decade they ever had. We are truly spoiled and wouldn't have it any other way. Roll Tide!
    If you look at the top teams in:
    a) college football
    b) the SEC

    it isn't difficult to determine why the 1980s were considered so frustrating.

    Who was better than we were?

    Note: while I'm a firm believer in counting only ranked wins on the basis of season-ending rankings, for simplicity's sake, I reviewed them based on rank at the time of the game played. In other words, Miami was unranked in 1985 when they beat OU, so that counts as a win over a ranked team for Miami but not as a loss for OU. BYU gets credit for a win over #3 Pitt in 1984 despite the Panthers being awful.

    Here's the data.

    Miami 99-20, .832, 3 national titles (31-16 against ranked teams, including 2-0 against Nebraska), 5-3 bowl record
    Nebraska 103-20, .837, 0 national titles, 5 Big Eight titles (22-17 against ranked teams), 4-6 bowl record
    Florida State 87-29-3, .744, 0 national titles (20-22 against ranked teams, started 10-19 in early decade), 7-1-1 bowl record

    Oklahoma 91-26-2, .773, 1 national title, 5 Big Eight titles (17-18-2 against ranked teams), 4-4 bowl record*
    Michigan 90-29-2, .752, 0 national titles, 5 Big Ten titles (22-19 against ranked teams), 5-5 bowl record
    Alabama 85-33-2, .717, 0 national titles, 2 SEC titles (18-19-1 against ranked teams) - 1 losing season, 6-3 bowl record

    Notre Dame 76-39-2, .658, 1 national title (25-23 against ranked teams, started poorly but ended spectacularly) - 3 losing seasons, 3-3 bowls
    UCLA 82-30-6, .720, 0 national titles, 4 Pac Ten titles (21-11-3 against ranked teams) - 1 losing season, 7-1 bowl record
    Auburn 86-31-2, .731, 0 national titles, 4 SEC titles (19-19-2 against ranked teams, started 0-8) - 2 losing seasons, 5-2-1 bowl record

    Georgia 89-27-4, .758, 1 national title, 3 SEC titles (13-14-1 against ranked teams), 4-4-2 bowl record
    Florida 76-38-3, .662, 0 national titles, 0 SEC titles (17-24-1 against ranked teams), 3-4 bowl record, 2 NCAA probations
    USC 78-36-3, .679, 0 national titles, 4 Pac Ten titles (22-17-1 against ranked teams), 2-5 bowl record, 1 losing season

    Penn St 89-28-2, .756, 2 national titles (22-17-1 against ranked teams), 6-2 bowl record, 1 losing season
    BYU 102-27-0, .791, 1 national title, 7 WAC titles (6-8 against ranked teams), 5-5 bowl record
    Clemson 87-25-4, .767, 1 national title, 5 ACC titles (18-10-1 against ranked teams), 5-1 bowl record
    Ohio St 82-35-2, .697, 0 national titles, 3 Big Ten titles (13-17-1 against ranked teams), 5-3 bowl record, 1 losing season


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    So let's see where we rank:
    2nd in bowl wins (behind UCLA)
    At least 11 teams above us in winning pct
    At least 11 teams with more wins

    Auburn and Georgia BOTH were better than Alabama overall in the 1980s.
    Georgia won a national title and 3 SEC titles.
    Auburn got robbed of a title and won 4 SEC titles.

    CLEMSON had a better decade than we did in the 1980s. More wins, higher pct, and a national title.

    But how would you rank these teams overall? Here's my ranking (and not every team is ranked). Discussion in next post.

    1) Miami
    2) Penn St
    3) Oklahoma
    4) Nebraska
    5) UCLA (shocked the hell out of me)
    6) Clemson
    7) Michigan
    8) Georgia
    9) Auburn
    10) Florida St
    11) Alabama

    (I'm sorry, but the mere fact BYU was 6-8 against ranked teams and had several years they didn't face any or only in the bowl game shows me that despite a national title, they're not top ten).
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    Re: Alabama's unquestionably the #1 all-time cfb program. Your #2 through #5?

    Explaining my rankings:

    1) Miami - zero explanation necessary

    2) Penn St - it's not because they won the second most titles, however. Penn St had the exact same record against ranked teams as Nebraska did (though the Big Red won 14 more games), but they got it primarily because they won six bowl games (tied for 2nd in the decade) and were 2-2 against the Huskers. I thought over all this was better.

    Plus, Penn St played for the title a third time in 1985 to go with two wins.

    3) Oklahoma
    4) Nebraska

    This split was tough because Nebraska won 12 more games, resulting in a substantially better win pct, and has a better record against ranked teams. I went with OU, however, because:
    a) the teams were 5-5 against each other
    b) each won 5 Big Eight titles
    c) OU played for the national title a second time (1987)
    d) despite losing that game, OU was still better in bowl game record (where you can't pick your foe).

    5) UCLA (shocked the hell out of me)

    This one stunned me and might well be a case study for East Coast bias.

    I had NO IDEA how good their overall record was. For awhile, I was leaning towards putting them at #2. Had UCLA not imploded for the 1989 season, in fact, I would have put them there. A blistering 7-1 bowl record, including Rose Bowl blowout wins over national title contenders Illinois (1983) and Iowa (1985) an beat Miami in a bowl between Hurricane national title runs. But Nebraska beat them three out of four, so I couldn't very well put them above NU.

    6) Clemson

    Another shocker given that Clemson was a 6-5 team in 1980. They not only won a title, they won consistently the rest of the decade.

    7) Michigan

    Better known for the games they lost. But 90 wins is more than Penn St and only one less than OU, both teams that got more hype during the decade than did UM. And they were better against the good teams than OU and just below Penn St. One can argue they should be higher, but I chose Clemson because they also won five bowl games, and it only took them six chances.

    8) Georgia

    UGA was another half-decade team that was dominant early and then let off towards the end. They were below .500 against the good teams, but they beat everyone else for awhile. When you recall they were 3-0 against ranked teams in 1980, you realize that in the last nine years of the 80s, they were a disappointing 10-14-1 against good teams. This might be the beginning of Jawja "Jawja-ing."

    9) Auburn

    A tough call to pick UGA over Auburn, but more wins/fewer losses/national title >>>> one more bowl win/one more SEC title imho.

    10) Florida St

    When you think of the late 1980s and Miami, you inevitably think of the rising power of FSU. I was actually surprised the Alabama's numbers for the entire decade were comparable to the Noles. But more wins, more bowl wins, better pct, and about equal against ranked teams......the nod goes to the Criminoles.


    11) Alabama

    And now you know why we don't care much for the 80s.

    Good teams. But five teams in the region - Miami, FSU, Clemson, UGA, Auburn - were all better than a team that was the team of BOTH the 60s AND the 70s. That's a tough one to swallow, but it's the truth.
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    Re: Alabama's unquestionably the #1 all-time cfb program. Your #2 through #5?

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    But there's no disputing the reality that 2017 Alabama would skull drag the 1961 Alabama team, and it wouldn't even be much of a battle.

    (And not just because those guys from the 61 team are all in their late 70s, either).
    Did the players on the 61 team still play both ways or had they started platooning by then?

    If they played both ways, wouldn't it be fair only if the 2017 team did the same which begs the question, would you want the 2017 offense playing defense or the 2017 defense playing offense?

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