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    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBoySince89 View Post
    The 3rd Saturday In October is a distant memory. Even LSU is becoming less of a big game now.
    let's not jump the gun on LSU just yet. they have been recruiting at a high level these last few classes and have played Bama much tougher than the Vols in the last decade.

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    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by bamamoss2 View Post
    When you have been around as long as I have, you will understand that history has a way of changing......
    So does football. Teams like Nebraska and Tennessee used to be Top jobs that you could win a national championship at, but now they aren't better jobs than Arkansas and Missouri because of the lack of instate recruiting. For Tennessee to succeed they desperately need to recruit nationally, and not many coaches can bag a lot of top out of state talent, and sell them into coming to a landlocked state with a rich football history. Sure they can win one here and there, but here and there might as well be 10 to 15 years between here and there.
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    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    We only had a 6 game lead in the series when Saban took over. We led 44-38 at that point. Now, after reeling off 12 in a row, we lead 56-38..
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    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonForce View Post
    We only had a 4 game lead in the series when Saban took over. We led 44-38 at that point. Now, after reeling off 12 in a row, we lead 56-38..
    I'm no math wizard, but that looks like a 6 game lead.

    In any event, we need to keep our boot on their neck. I would love to see the Streak hit 20.

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    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    I certainly hope not, but when CNS retires you never know. Never say never.
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    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by uafanataum View Post
    If Pruitt does not do it then I suspect never. People talking up the game will become like people talking up Nebraska. They are just not relevant anymore regardless of history.
    Can't see the orange slime ever being relevant either if Pruit doesn't get them there. The only way 10rc become relevant without Pruitt would be to get up to their recruiting shenanigans when Fulmer was in charge. Personal knowledge during the Fulmer tenure of a TN recruit from the projects driving a brand new pick up worth around $50K back then.
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    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    it would be fine with me if they lose by 20+ to us forever.

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    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    So does football. Teams like Nebraska and Tennessee used to be Top jobs that you could win a national championship at, but now they aren't better jobs than Arkansas and Missouri because of the lack of instate recruiting. For Tennessee to succeed they desperately need to recruit nationally, and not many coaches can bag a lot of top out of state talent, and sell them into coming to a landlocked state with a rich football history. Sure they can win one here and there, but here and there might as well be 10 to 15 years between here and there.
    81, football does change and , my reference is to the fact that over the years (particularly prior to Saban) TN and Bama have each had streaks. I hope our streak over TN never ends , but I am tempered with the history of the rivalry.
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    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by GrayTide View Post
    I certainly hope not, but when CNS retires you never know. Never say never.
    My sentiments exactly! Roll Tide!!!
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    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    It has been a streaky series, at least during my 51 year lifetime. Fortunately for us, I see that continuing to be the case for the foreseeable future.
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    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by bamamoss2 View Post
    81, football does change and , my reference is to the fact that over the years (particularly prior to Saban) TN and Bama have each had streaks. I hope our streak over TN never ends , but I am tempered with the history of the rivalry.
    Yes, but how relevant has Tennessee been in that 12 years compared to all the other streaks? Tennessee as a program isnt the same Tennessee as in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. There have twice as much losing seasons since 1998 than 10 win seasons. That isnt a streak of bad luck, that is a mediocre at best program that modern football has killed, and wont ever be the same program ever again.

    1999 Phillip Fulmer 9–3 6–2 L Fiesta 9 9
    2000 Phillip Fulmer 8–4 5–3 L Cotton 25
    2001 Phillip Fulmer 11–2 7–1 W Florida Citrus 4 4
    2002 Phillip Fulmer 8–5 5–3 L Peach
    2003 Phillip Fulmer 10–3 6–2 L Peach 16 15
    2004 Phillip Fulmer 10–3 7–1 W Cotton 15 13
    2005 Phillip Fulmer 5–6 3–5
    2006 Phillip Fulmer 9–4 5–3 L Outback 23 25
    2007 Phillip Fulmer 10–4 6–2 W Outback 12 12
    2008 Phillip Fulmer 5–7 3–5
    2009 Lane Kiffin 7–6 4–4 L Chick-fil-A
    2010 Derek Dooley 6–7 3–5 L Music City
    2011 Derek Dooley 5–7 1–7
    2012 Derek Dooley 5–7 1–7
    2013 Butch Jones 5–7 2–6
    2014 Butch Jones 7–6 3–5 W TaxSlayer
    2015 Butch Jones 9–4 5–3 W Outback 23 22
    2016 Butch Jones 9–4 4–4 W Music City 24 22
    2017 Butch Jones 4–8 0–8
    2018 Jeremy Pruitt 5–7 2–6
    Compare it to Bama from 1993 to 2006, and you clearly see that if Tennessee didn't have a serious instate recruiting problem that puts them in a serious disadvantage.

    Tennessee and Nebraska are C level jobs, and will either get C level coaches or coaches that want to leapfrog to a bigger job. These streaks in the rivalry happened because everyone played the same type of football, and it didn't require near as much overall talent on rosters to win championships as it is now. When Miami and Oklahoma reinvented the strategy of football in the 80's, Tennessee was basically on borrowed time until Georgia and Florida caught up. When Spurrier came to Florida, Tennessee was done until they recruited Manning and had one of those lucky seasons under Martin. Since then their success has been based on Bama being put on probation, and Georgia and Florida hiring the wrong coach. When Tennessee is actually competing for state supremacy every year with Vanderbilt then you know the days of continuous relevance are over. The top Tennessee recruit is probably equivalent to the #30 Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Missouri, and California recruit. A team in a recruiting hotbed of a conference, that must recruit nationally to stay relevant is not a team built for success.

    So again TSIO will never be a decade of relevance ever again, and the small window of time it is will be based on how far down Alabama is at a given time and how abnormally up Tennessee is at a given time. Otherwise its going to be a game on par with Alabama and Mississippi St.
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    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    I think Lane Kiffin leaving them really took the wind out of their sails. Despite what we know, he's probably been the best coach they've had since Fulmer until now with Pruitt.

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    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    They could surge again. They had periods of success before the Fulmer era. They could get back to that again, but they will have to do it when Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Florida are not as dominant. I mention those four programs, because those 4 programs are the main players in the currently largest stockpiled recruiting lands in all of America. That's where the ball players are. And, just because Tennessee isn't a great football state, doesn't mean there isn't talent there too, which usually ends up at one of those 4 programs.

    Alabama/UGA/LSU/UF will have to have bad recruiting years again before UT becomes a power.

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