Question: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again? - Page 4
Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 40 to 52 of 62
  1. #40
    BamaNation Hall of Fame
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Gadsden, Al.
    Posts
    6,100

    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    I want the Wins to pile up real high.
    I want the Tennessee fans to ask...
    WHAT'S A 'W'?
    Last edited by Ole Man Dan; August 12th, 2019 at 02:46 PM. Reason: format

  2. #41
    BamaNation First Team tidebanker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2002
    Location
    Hoover, AL USA
    Posts
    538

    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    Think the TN game is irrelevant? Watch what happens if Bama loses it...

    Just like when we lost to ol miss


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  3. #42
    BamaNation All-American
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    3,190

    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Some don't realize that the Nashville area is beginning to boom with Div 1 players. Tenn has almost closed the gap on the state of Alabama. They also have no instate competition. If they become competitive on the field again, the Atlanta area and state of Georgia as a whole will open back up to them. UGA can' take them all. UT had success last year in Georgia. OTOH, the state of Tenn's geography poses its own set of hurdles for the Vols. Like most programs, they just need a coach. Time will shortly tell if they now have one.

  4. #43
    BamaNation Hall of Fame 81usaf92's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Sylacauga,AL
    Posts
    11,260

    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaInBham View Post
    Some don't realize that the Nashville area is beginning to boom with Div 1 players. Tenn has almost closed the gap on the state of Alabama. They also have no instate competition. If they become competitive on the field again, the Atlanta area and state of Georgia as a whole will open back up to them. UGA can' take them all. UT had success last year in Georgia. OTOH, the state of Tenn's geography poses its own set of hurdles for the Vols. Like most programs, they just need a coach. Time will shortly tell if they now have one.
    Sure Georgia canít get them all... but Tennessee still comes in last to the bowl to Clemson, Alabama, Florida, FSU, Auburn, LSU, VT, and GT to the rest of those recruits. Everyone who tries to make that case for why Tennessee can be competitive with surrounding recruiting rich states fail to realize that there are programs leagues better than Tennessee eyeing those recruits.

    As far as Tennessee being better than most think and closing the gap. Take in consideration that Perkins, Curry, Dubose, Fran, and Shula all won 10 games in a season. No Tennessee coach since Fulmer has done so.

  5. #44

    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Name:  hahaha.jpg
Views: 0
Size:  73.2 KB
    Oderint dum metuant - Lucius Accius

  6. #45
    BamaNation All-American
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    3,190

    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    Sure Georgia can’t get them all... but Tennessee still comes in last to the bowl to Clemson, Alabama, Florida, FSU, Auburn, LSU, VT, and GT to the rest of those recruits. Everyone who tries to make that case for why Tennessee can be competitive with surrounding recruiting rich states fail to realize that there are programs leagues better than Tennessee eyeing those recruits.

    As far as Tennessee being better than most think and closing the gap. Take in consideration that Perkins, Curry, Dubose, Fran, and Shula all won 10 games in a season. No Tennessee coach since Fulmer has done so.
    "closing the gap" and "better than some think" was in regard to Div 1 talent produced by the state, not the current state or potential of the program. Even when UT was a dominant force regionally, essentially the equal of Alabama in the South from 30s-50s, they never could touch Bama's performance on the big national stage, failing time and again with never a big success. Their 2 shots in the Rose Bowl 12 years after Bama's first appearance were embarrassments including losing 14-0 in their "unscored on" season and 25-0 two years later. They even lost their bowl in their only other NC year of '51. UT is a despicable program, headed by a disgusting man PF. It would be delightful to see the streak reach 50, which is no doubt possible . I've enjoyed each of the current 12 immensely.

    IMO, an ascendent UT would typically out-recruit UF, FSU, VT and LSU in the state of Georgia. But we're just guessing now. As I noted, the Nashville area is becoming a mini Atlanta area in terms of athletes now being produced. Actually, Alabama has historically had some success in Tenn, especially the Nashville area. OM especially, and Ark have had success in the Memphis area. As I said, Tenn's geography poses hurdles for UT. Also, my guess is that the Titans and Preds have sucked a little of the UT fire out of the state. An MLB team would drain a bit more.

  7. #46
    BamaNation All-American
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    3,190

    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Name:  ut.jpg
Views: 0
Size:  78.2 KB

  8. #47
    BamaNation Hall of Fame 81usaf92's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Sylacauga,AL
    Posts
    11,260

    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaInBham View Post
    "closing the gap" and "better than some think" was in regard to Div 1 talent produced by the state, not the current state or potential of the program. Even when UT was a dominant force regionally, essentially the equal of Alabama in the South from 30s-50s, they never could touch Bama's performance on the big national stage, failing time and again with never a big success. Their 2 shots in the Rose Bowl 12 years after Bama's first appearance were embarrassments including losing 14-0 in their "unscored on" season and 25-0 two years later. They even lost their bowl in their only other NC year of '51. UT is a despicable program, headed by a disgusting man PF. It would be delightful to see the streak reach 50, which is no doubt possible . I've enjoyed each of the current 12 immensely.
    That Tennessee normal died when Miami and Florida changed college football. The type of athletes needed to be successful are totally different, and Tennessee just doesn't have the amount of them in state.

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaInBham View Post



    IMO, an ascendent UT would typically out-recruit UF, FSU, VT and LSU in the state of Georgia. But we're just guessing now. As I noted, the Nashville area is becoming a mini Atlanta area in terms of athletes now being produced. Actually, Alabama has historically had some success in Tenn, especially the Nashville area. re.


    Mobile, Auburn, Birmingham, and Huntsville all dwarf Nashville in terms of talent in quantity and quality. Sure Tennessee isn't a total derelict of a recruiting state as Nebraska is, but compared to who they are competing against they are probably in a slightly better situation than Kentucky. The Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Missouri, and South Carolina schools will always have a huge advantage over Tennessee.

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaInBham View Post



    Also, my guess is that the Titans and Preds have sucked a little of the UT fire out of the state. An MLB team would drain a bit more.


    I dont see how the inclusion of professional teams are related to the failure of a mediocre football program.
    "Aut viam inveniam aut faciam."

    Hannibal

  9. #48
    BamaNation All-American
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    3,190

    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    That Tennessee normal died when Miami and Florida changed college football. The type of athletes needed to be successful are totally different, and Tennessee just doesn't have the amount of them in state.



    Mobile, Auburn, Birmingham, and Huntsville all dwarf Nashville in terms of talent in quantity and quality. Sure Tennessee isn't a total derelict of a recruiting state as Nebraska is, but compared to who they are competing against they are probably in a slightly better situation than Kentucky. The Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Missouri, and South Carolina schools will always have a huge advantage over Tennessee.



    I dont see how the inclusion of professional teams are related to the failure of a mediocre football program.
    We'll just have to disagree regarding the state of Tenn increasing its D1 recruiting output.

    The inclusion of a pro team can take the edge off of the support of many fans both in number and in passion. It's happened before. It's one reason why Coach Bryant did not want an NFL team in Bham. Thus, part of the reason for the venom towards the University and Coach Bryant. Part of Coach Saban's recruiting pitch is that there are no pro sports to compete for the attention of the state of Alabama's sports fans.

  10. #49
    BamaNation Hall of Fame 81usaf92's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Sylacauga,AL
    Posts
    11,260

    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaInBham View Post

    The inclusion of a pro team can take the edge off of the support of many fans both in number and in passion.

    Can and Does are two different things. I think many southerners (outside of Texas southerners) use this idea because there are only a few pro teams worth a damn. The Braves, Saints, Atlanta United, and Falcons are rare teams when you have the Marlins, Dolphins, Jaguars, Rays, Bucs, Magic, Hawks, and etc just wasting people's time and money. Most of the professional sports team's success depends on who the owner of that team is and how rich and motivated he is. Ted Turner comes to mind before he sold the team. Most southern pro team owners are just turn key business owners that really have no real aspirations of building a championship team. The Braves make more money than UGA, and neither are a detriment to each other.

    The college game is more decided by instate talent and coaching. The pro game is decided by owner finances and GMs, the Patriots are a rare organization. More or less, if Warren Buffett wanted to start a pro team in Birmingham and was committed to its success then he probably would succeed with no adverse effects to Alabama and Auburn.

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaInBham View Post



    . It's one reason why Coach Bryant did not want an NFL team in Bham. Thus, part of the reason for the venom towards the University and Coach Bryant. Part of Coach Saban's recruiting pitch is that there are no pro sports to compete for the attention of the state of Alabama's sports fans.

    Whether CPB or CNS wanted a pro team in Bham or not has no effect on why there are no REAL pro teams in Birmingham. The MLB will never come to Birmingham from the word go, because there is noway they could meet the attendance numbers needed for a 84 game home schedule. The NFL wont come due to the lack of sponsors. So NHL and NBA are the only viable candidates. I doubt Alabama would ever support hockey. So really the NBA. But even that could be way too expensive.
    "Aut viam inveniam aut faciam."

    Hannibal

  11. #50
    BamaNation All-American
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    3,190

    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    Can and Does are two different things. I think many southerners (outside of Texas southerners) use this idea because there are only a few pro teams worth a damn. The Braves, Saints, Atlanta United, and Falcons are rare teams when you have the Marlins, Dolphins, Jaguars, Rays, Bucs, Magic, Hawks, and etc just wasting people's time and money. Most of the professional sports team's success depends on who the owner of that team is and how rich and motivated he is. Ted Turner comes to mind before he sold the team. Most southern pro team owners are just turn key business owners that really have no real aspirations of building a championship team. The Braves make more money than UGA, and neither are a detriment to each other.

    The college game is more decided by instate talent and coaching. The pro game is decided by owner finances and GMs, the Patriots are a rare organization. More or less, if Warren Buffett wanted to start a pro team in Birmingham and was committed to its success then he probably would succeed with no adverse effects to Alabama and Auburn.
    "Can and does" - that's why I used the word "can" - without an in depth study were are just guessing. IMO, it's not a big issue yet with UT football, but I would guess that it has diminished their fire some. Success in the NFL game is dependent on similar and different factors as the college game, nevertheless, it often affects the fandom of nearby college programs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 81usaf92 View Post
    Whether CPB or CNS wanted a pro team in Bham or not has no effect on why there are no REAL pro teams in Birmingham. The MLB will never come to Birmingham from the word go, because there is noway they could meet the attendance numbers needed for a 84 game home schedule. The NFL wont come due to the lack of sponsors. So NHL and NBA are the only viable candidates. I doubt Alabama would ever support hockey. So really the NBA. But even that could be way too expensive.
    There was no reference to whether Coach Bryant affected the acquisition of an NFL franchise in Alabama (IMO, he probably did.) but that he was openly concerned about it. (IMO, rightly so. Bham was a very definite candidate to get one at that time, though they have not been a threat for decades now. The thought of the NBA or MLB is a pipe dream. MLB has rightly never even been seriously mentioned that I know of.) Nor was there mention of whether CNS wanted one or not, but that he mentions the lack of a pro franchise as a recruiting point because it adds to the passion/attention of the fan base. He is right about that, which was the original point about UT. Though I think, at least at this time, it is not a major factor in UT's plight. Primarily they need a coach and to recruit their own state better (they only got 2 of the 12 4 star recruits in their state in 2019). I hope they do neither, though their instate recruiting pool is significantly improving, especially in the booming Nashville area.

  12. #51
    BamaNation Hall of Fame 81usaf92's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Sylacauga,AL
    Posts
    11,260

    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaInBham View Post
    "Can and does" - that's why I used the word "can" - without an in depth study were are just guessing. IMO, it's not a big issue yet with UT football, but I would guess that it has diminished their fire some. Success in the NFL game is dependent on similar and different factors as the college game, nevertheless, it often affects the fandom of nearby college programs.



    There was no reference to whether Coach Bryant affected the acquisition of an NFL franchise in Alabama (IMO, he probably did.) but that he was openly concerned about it. (IMO, rightly so. Bham was a very definite candidate to get one at that time, though they have not been a threat for decades now. The thought of the NBA or MLB is a pipe dream. MLB has rightly never even been seriously mentioned that I know of.) Nor was there mention of whether CNS wanted one or not, but that he mentions the lack of a pro franchise as a recruiting point because it adds to the passion/attention of the fan base. He is right about that, which was the original point about UT. Though I think, at least at this time, it is not a major factor in UT's plight. Primarily they need a coach and to recruit their own state better (they only got 2 of the 12 4 star recruits in their state in 2019). I hope they do neither, though their instate recruiting pool is significantly improving, especially in the booming Nashville area.
    The only time I recall Birmingham as a serious candidate for a pro team was when the Vikings were playing around with the idea of moving in the late 90ís early 2000ís, but Birmingham couldnít get past Step 1 in building the Doom Dome. If Alabama was to ever get a REAL pro team then I doubt it would be Birmingham. Birmingham cannot compete with Atlanta who is 2 hrs away in any of the 3 major sports.

    As far as a correlation between passion and excitement being affected by a pro team near a major college team... You are using the Titans, a bottom dweller that has little to no support as an example. The Saints donít affect LSU, and the Braves and falcons donít affect Georgia. Both are closer to those campuses than the Titans are to the Vols. If anything I think there is more evidence to suggest having a major pro team close by increases a collegeís recruiting. I again think this argument is based off the fact that most southern pro teams are crap, and people take it is why college sports are highly successful in the south. But I think itís missing the facts that wins in pro sports are mostly determined by dollars and not coaching.

  13. #52
    BamaNation Hall of Fame GrayTide's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Greenbow, Alabama
    Posts
    15,728

    Re: Will the Tennessee / Alabama game become relevant again?

    While Nashville is increasing its D1 player output, Memphis is still the recruiting hot bed in Tennessee. Most of Nashville's D1 recruits have come from the predominantly all white private schools. Tennessee does not produce D1 talent on the level with Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Mississippi or Louisiana.
    "My momma always said you got to put the past behind you before you can move on." Forrest Gump

    "The past is never dead. It's not even past." William Faulkner

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

TideFansStore.com Bama Gear