DJ Dale and Trey Sanders (Sanders Reportedly Out for Season)

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4Q Basket Case said:

Cochran's the best in the business. We don't need him going anywhere.

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He may be the difference between Alabama and GA right now. Kirby would love to have him.

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B1GTide said:

He may be the difference between Alabama and GA right now. Kirby would love to have him.

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Kirby tried once to get him...…...….....Cochran decided against leaving

rgw said:

Luckily it doesn't seem like an injury that will debilitate him long-term - assuming surgery is successful - like a ligament injury.

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In terms of Sanders’ foot injury, if it is the injury I think it is, numerous athletes have recovered successfully and returned to play. I was told “fracture” and not “injury” and the individual I heard it from is generally rather reliable.

If it is what I think it might be, the problem isn’t as much the surgical procedure itself (although it can be complicated by the extent of the injury) as much as it is the location of the injury. Post surgery requires an extended period of immobilization before you can begin the rehab process. When the reports first stated out for the year (later revised to “indefinitely”) it was the first foot injury that came to mind.

I hope I’m wrong.

Too lazy total up, but we have seemed to have a lot of foot injuries. Idont think there is conditioning to help with foot fractures. Could it be the shoes or the playing surface?

uaintn said:

Too lazy total up, but we have seemed to have a lot of foot injuries. Idont think there is conditioning to help with foot fractures. Could it be the shoes or the playing surface?

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The foot injury/fracture I think Trey might have suffered is a Lisfranc fracture. It is where foot bones (metatarsals) and base bones of the ankle (tarsal) “come together) to form the arch of the foot. The injury usually occurs with hyper flexion or hyper extension of the foot around the arch. Think of landing on a hard ball directly on the arch of the foot with all your weight (often occurs in football when the player’s foot lands awkwardly on another player’s foot/leg) or having someone step directly on the top of your foot just as you have “planted” that foot and pushed off to accelerate.

It is the same injury that sidelined Julio Jones and Johnathan Allen at points in their professional careers. I believe it may be the injury that Marquis Brown of Oklahoma suffered.

I don’t know if turf/shoes play a role in this type of injury. It usually seems to happen when players are just trying to make an “athletic” move and something weird happens.

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Sad to see this, but could he potentially make it back late in the season (Iron Bowl, SECCG, playoffs) and still take a redshirt?

4Q Basket Case said:

FULL rehab is the most important thing.

Years ago, Bobby Humphrey's college career was derailed by incomplete recovery from a stress fracture in his foot. He came back too early, re-broke it, and never played college ball again.

Now, that was over 30 years ago, and I'm sure both treatment and rehab have progressed light years since then.

But the point remains: It will be hard, but all of us -- fans, coaches, trainers, doctors, and Sanders himself -- need to be patient. If he goes full contact in either practice or a game before he is anything less than 100% recovered, it would be a disservice to both Sanders and the Alabama football program.

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When most think of foot fractures, they think of large bones of the foot (metatarsals). My wife broke her 5th metatarsal stepping wrong off a curb and rolling the outside of her foot. Simple immobilization and, if displaced, a pin or screws. Once the bone heals, rehab can start.

Lisfranc fractures/injuries happen right where the bones of the foot and ankle come together, the major point where the foot “flexes and extends” (even call it the Lisfranc “joint” now).

That’s the reason recovery is lengthy. You must make sure that fracture is completely healed before you begin “stressing” the area with movement.

Good news is that surgical techniques and post operative treatment for Lisfranc have advanced significantly in the past few years.

He could possibly be back rehabbing by the end of the year and maybe participating in drills next spring.

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scrodz said:

Sad to see this, but could he potentially make it back late in the season (Iron Bowl, SECCG, playoffs) and still take a redshirt?

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No need to rush him back. I think we will be good this year at RB. Next year is when we will really need him.

uaintn said:

Too lazy total up, but we have seemed to have a lot of foot injuries. Idont think there is conditioning to help with foot fractures. Could it be the shoes or the playing surface?

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It's called stuff happens and it's football. It is nobody or somethings fault. Amazingly enough it happens at other places also.

uaintn said:

Too lazy total up, but we have seemed to have a lot of foot injuries. Idont think there is conditioning to help with foot fractures. Could it be the shoes or the playing surface?

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It is important, I believe, to recognize that humans evolved over the millennia and were much smaller and less powerful only a couple of generations ago. Advances in nutrition, caloric availability and muscle development (weight) does not necessarily lead to equally stronger bones and joints. I would tend to believe that this is a major cause for the types of stress fractures and of course joint replacements at earlier ages that we experience today.

At the same time practically all the factory foods we consume today are devoid of the types nutritional values that existed a few generations ago.

I see the frequency of these injuries as you expressed and think about the need to be extremely advanced in the areas of bio-mechanics and nutrition in an effort to reduce the frequency of injuries we are seeing today.

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Keeter said:

Kirby tried once to get him...…...….....Cochran decided against leaving

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See and I wonder if Cochran decided to stay here for the long term. It seems that everyone was talking like he was such good friends with Kirby and their wives too so he was just waiting to become vested in Alabama's retirement system. I am thrilled that he is sticking around because he adds so much to our program.

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Bama Torch in Pcola said:

I have always been a big Cochran guy but I am starting to think there is more to this than luck. It is every year for the past several years. At what point do we begin to question??? I honestly do not know. But this is ridiculous.

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How would anything that Cochran does in the weight room cause Sanders to get a foot injury...? :conf3:

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Cochran ain't the problem. There is no "problem" that can be fixed. It is simply bad luck.

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rgw said:

Cochran ain't the problem. There is no "problem" that can be fixed. It is simply bad luck.

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This is correct.

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Some people need to recite the serenity prayer a few times.

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Bama Torch in Pcola said:

I have always been a big Cochran guy but I am starting to think there is more to this than luck. It is every year for the past several years. At what point do we begin to question??? I honestly do not know. But this is ridiculous.

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