I think I might have let it gone on too long. My apologies. :cheers2: on TideFans.comWell that escalated quickly...DT_box: on TideFans.com
I think I might have let it gone on too long. My apologies. :cheers2: on TideFans.comWell that escalated quickly...DT_box: on TideFans.com
I don't know, and I didn't know about his insult at the time either or I'd have zinged him as well.Just scrolled through that 2012 thread. Man there were a lot of posters who are no longer either with us or just don't post anymore. Wonder whatever happened to Tommy Mac, he was one of my all time favorites. I would probably have to cast my vote for Chizik, he did nothing before of after the 2010 NC as a head coach.
A bit shocking........................some folks none of us probably remember. Others, like 'Sip, were long-time contributors. I forget what he did to get the axe. One was so recent no one has probably noticed yet. (Hint: you might want to steer clear of the NS section.) Tommy Mac has not been around in a while. Ditto for gmart................think it was because he was getting married. (Wonder if he still is!)Whew, That was lot of folks that was suspended in that thread LOL.
IIRC Tommy Mac had some serious health issues. Hope he is still with us.A bit shocking........................some folks none of us probably remember. Others, like 'Sip, were long-time contributors. I forget what he did to get the axe. One was so recent no one has probably noticed yet. (Hint: you might want to steer clear of the NS section.) Tommy Mac has not been around in a while. Ditto for gmart................think it was because he was getting married. (Wonder if he still is!)
And some of us are still seasoned citizens, and our memory hasn't improved. At least it hasn't gotten worse, so there is that.
The best part is we only have to endure around 2 more weeks of this filler material, before we really have something to get suspended over.
That's a stunt that a ten year-old would pull...fify
So is just continuing to call someone an Auburn fan just because you don’t agree with them, and offering little more than that to your posts.That's a stunt that a ten year-old would pull...
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When the prior post was made in February 2012, it was reasonable to conclude that a lot of fans were just simply enraged over the 2010 title win.That's a stunt that a ten year-old would pull...
As far as your defense of Chizik, I think the Poll Results say it all.
Just curious, why is Larry Coker not in the running for you, but Bobby Ross is?When the prior post was made in February 2012, it was reasonable to conclude that a lot of fans were just simply enraged over the 2010 title win.
Not that they didn't have a point - in fact, they did - but it was too soon to make that assessment.
I think given what has happened since then, Chizik is a reasonable answer to the question. In fact, it seems to me that we can reduce the entire list of candidates to:
Paul Dietzel
Gene Chizik
Bobby Ross
Lloyd Carr
Howard Schnellenberger
And context determines everything.
I don't think it's Dietzel, although a case can be made. He took over a 5-6 team and won 3, 3, 5, and then a national title. But unlike Chizik, he followed his title with a 9-2 year.....then he was 5-4-1, but he then jumped back to a 10-win season and was gone from LSU.
He was then at Army, and they were so-so. At South Carolina - given the time and context - his record is not really that bad (1-9 his first year to 5 wins, 4 wins, and 7-4 but then a regression).
Schnell's career is skewed by his late career at FAU, which lowered his overall career total. He built Miami from 5-6 to a national title - and then a national power as he left - in just five years. His numbers at Miami in the context of the time are unbelievably good. He took over a train wreck at Louisville and had 8 wins in season four and a 10-1-1 Fiesta Bowl winner his sixth year. Yes, they collapsed, but he recovered.
His tenure at OU was walking into a terrible situation....and he was 61 years old and starting over. If we spot him the late years, he doesn't belong in this list, either.
So the "actual" list is Chizik, Carr, and Ross.
And while I note 81's correct observation of Carr's stupid decision-making, I'm hesitant to take it down to one decision. Hell, the dumbest decision of all-time was Pete Carroll at the one-yard line with Lynch in the backfield saying, "Yeah, I think we ought to pass here." True, that was in the NFL - but that also makes his decision-making all the more insane, too. Carr's overall record of 122-40, 5 Big Ten titles in 13 season...and five Top Ten finishes....well, I just think he doesn't even belong in the discussion.
We're down to Chizik and Ross.
Ross was 7 games under .500 at the Citadel, not a bad record at all in context. He took over Jerry Claiborne's 4-6-1 Maryland team and had four 8-win and above seasons....again, VERY GOOD in context at Maryland. While it can be said he won with Claiborne's players, the time frame mitigates that a tad. He took over a program Bill Curry (!) had turned around and then blew it apart and rebuilt it. His national title was a Johnny Majors level fluke, but here's where I think the separation occurs:
Bobby Ross was an NFL assistant for 4 years at KC (under Marv Levy).
He was an NFL head coach of average (at best) accomplishment who made the playoffs 3 of his first 4 years in San Diego - including the improbable (e.g. lucky) Super Bowl run.
Bobby Ross and Howard Schnellenberger (an assistant prior to his disaster as a HC) both coached in the NFL.
Has Gene Chizik's name ever come up in a serious context as a possible NFL assistant or coach?
That settles it for me.
It's Chizik.
Ross probably shouldn't be.Just curious, why is Larry Coker not in the running for you, but Bobby Ross is?
I think Schnell isn't on the list for a good reason. He is to Miami what Bobby Bowden is to FSU. He put Miami on the map and was indeed a very good coach when he won his NC. Unfortunately alcohol entered into the equation later in his career and obviously brought him down.I think given what has happened since then, Chizik is a reasonable answer to the question. In fact, it seems to me that we can reduce the entire list of candidates to:
Paul Dietzel
Gene Chizik
Bobby Ross
Lloyd Carr
Howard Schnellenberger
And context determines everything.
Schnell's career is skewed by his late career at FAU, which lowered his overall career total. He built Miami from 5-6 to a national title - and then a national power as he left - in just five years. His numbers at Miami in the context of the time are unbelievably good. He took over a train wreck at Louisville and had 8 wins in season four and a 10-1-1 Fiesta Bowl winner his sixth year. Yes, they collapsed, but he recovered.
His tenure at OU was walking into a terrible situation....and he was 61 years old and starting over. If we spot him the late years, he doesn't belong in this list, either.
That’s actually a very good choice, I hadn’t considered that one yet. Only Les Miles could win a championship with 2 losses.Les Miles.
Murray Warmath won the 1960 national championship at Minnesota with two losses and had a career coaching record of 97-84-10.Tina’s actually a very good choice, I hadn’t considered that one yet. Only Les Miles could win a championship with 2 losses.
Les Miles.