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    Has anyone been following the Daniel Holtzclaw case?

    So Daniel Holtzclaw was a Oklahoma City police officer who was accused and convicted of rape and sexual assault. He received 263 years in prison. I believe he was convicted in 2016. However there are a lot of people that believe he didn't receive a fair trial, that the prosecution misled the jury, and the primary investigator led and/or coached the victims on what to say. Not only that but the victims stories either changed or they were caught lying.

    When I originally saw this I thought the guy was guilty as heck but after hearing the testimony and the actual interviews I've come to the conclusion that not only is this guy innocent but the primary investigator should have her badge pulled and never be allowed to work in law enforcement again.

    I just saw where the court of appeals upheld his conviction. I'm not sure why or how you wouldn't deserve a new trial when the DNA forensic employee of the city didn't follow standard forensic protocols, misled the jury, and that the DNA was from inadvertent transmission. How a person doesn't deserve a new trial when the victims were found to have perjured themselves. If this is what can happen to people in the US then we are in big trouble.

    The DA's office, with a judge, and police held a private meeting to address the concerns with the city's forensic employee and the mistakes made during this case. The defense of Holtzclaw has a right to be involved in these meetings but weren't allowed to attend.

    Seems like there are a whole lot of rights being violated.

    Check out Holtzclawtrial.com

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    Re: Has anyone been following the Daniel Holtzclaw case?

    Women don’t lie about sexual assault, except when they do. You’re displaying “toxic masculinity “ by even questioning them. You have no way of knowing what it’s like to have this happen to you, so your opinion is invalid. Sarcasm, sarcasm, sarcasm.

    Honestly, this isn’t the only case. Incidents like this scare me, and it should scare everyone. However, people are more concerned with getting a “monster” off the streets than they are in following due process and all the proper procedures.


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    Re: Has anyone been following the Daniel Holtzclaw case?

    Are you guys sure you want to back this individual? There's enough circumstantial/witness evidence to convict him several times over pre-DNA...
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    Re: Has anyone been following the Daniel Holtzclaw case?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    Are you guys sure you want to back this individual? There's enough circumstantial/witness evidence to convict him several times over pre-DNA...
    i imagine that his remaining time on earth will not be pleasant.
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    Re: Has anyone been following the Daniel Holtzclaw case?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    Are you guys sure you want to back this individual? There's enough circumstantial/witness evidence to convict him several times over pre-DNA...
    come on don't you know that women lie? Often 13 of them who don't know one another will independently report very similar cases
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    Re: Has anyone been following the Daniel Holtzclaw case?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon View Post
    come on don't you know that women lie? Often 13 of them who don't know one another will independently report very similar cases
    I thought the supreme stupidity to use office computers to map out his crime routes was remarkable. I guess he felt invulnerable and damned near was...
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    Re: Has anyone been following the Daniel Holtzclaw case?

    Quote Originally Posted by TIDE-HSV View Post
    I thought the supreme stupidity to use office computers to map out his crime routes was remarkable. I guess he felt invulnerable and damned near was...
    He was accused of being a short black man by one of the victims. Timelines etc didnt match up with what the victims stated. Gave wrong description of his patrol unit, said it was a different model. The DNA evidence alone should be thrown out because of contamination. Not to mention the DNA "evidence" wasn't bodily fluids. You would think that with all of these victims there would be some substantial DNA evidence. Too much here that doesn't fit and there were no witnesses just alleged victims. Read up on it. Just dont go with what the media puts out there for you to believe.

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    Re: Has anyone been following the Daniel Holtzclaw case?

    Quote Originally Posted by TUSCALOOSAHONOR View Post
    He was accused of being a short black man by one of the victims. Timelines etc didnt match up with what the victims stated. Gave wrong description of his patrol unit, said it was a different model. The DNA evidence alone should be thrown out because of contamination. Not to mention the DNA "evidence" wasn't bodily fluids. You would think that with all of these victims there would be some substantial DNA evidence. Too much here that doesn't fit and there were no witnesses just alleged victims. Read up on it. Just dont go with what the media puts out there for you to believe.
    we could go with what michelle malkin wrote about it. she's a known straight shooter. not like that bad old media
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    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    we could go with what michelle malkin wrote about it. she's a known straight shooter. not like that bad old media
    Did you happen to check out her investigative reporting on this case?

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    Re: Has anyone been following the Daniel Holtzclaw case?

    Quote Originally Posted by TUSCALOOSAHONOR View Post
    Did you happen to check out her investigative reporting on this case?
    nope, and i'm not going to.
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    Re: Has anyone been following the Daniel Holtzclaw case?

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    nope, and i'm not going to.
    What I was hoping for was an actual polite discussion on this. Was hoping that an effort would be put into this discussion. It is a shame that a place where people should be able to go to get thoughtful discussion on a subject are met like this. I could see if I was being argumentative that I would get a response like this but all I'm wanting is some research before commenting. Thanks for your input.

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    Re: Has anyone been following the Daniel Holtzclaw case?

    Quote Originally Posted by TUSCALOOSAHONOR View Post
    What I was hoping for was an actual polite discussion on this. Was hoping that an effort would be put into this discussion. It is a shame that a place where people should be able to go to get thoughtful discussion on a subject are met like this. I could see if I was being argumentative that I would get a response like this but all I'm wanting is some research before commenting. Thanks for your input.
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