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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Trump's ‘transcript’ of Ukraine call unlikely to be verbatim

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Details from a phone call made by Donald Trump that has led the U.S. House of Representatives to launch a formal impeachment inquiry against the president isn’t likely to come from a recording or be verbatim, former White House and national security officials say.

    Instead, because of standard White House protocol for handling phone calls between the president and other world leaders, a transcript is likely to be put together from written notes by U.S. officials who listen in.
    Standard practice when a president is talking to a foreign leader is not to make a recording but to have at least two and sometimes more note-takers from the National Security Council (NSC) on the call, a former senior NSC official told Reuters. Those note-takers are themselves usually Central Intelligence Agency officers on assignment to the NSC, he said.
    Their notes serve as the principal record of such calls, the former official said. He was not aware of any electronic recordings made by the U.S. government on calls between Trump and other world leaders.
    (more at the linked story)
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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    Hadn't thought about the repubs playing along for this reason - what if the doc is nothing? What if this is all an elaborate setup to cut the dems off at the knees?

    If the dems are right, this will effectively end his presidency. But if they're wrong, this will effectively give Trump 2020.
    i may be wrong, but i think you are giving these guys way too much credit, they are not that bright. just like in the movie [all the president's men]

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    The story is dry. All we've got are pieces. We can't seem to figure out what the puzzle is supposed to look like. John Mitchell resigns as the head of CREEP, and says that he wants to spend more time with his family. I mean, it sounds like bull[crap], we don't exactly believe that...

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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bazza View Post
    Fine and dandy if the original notes, unredacted, are released. I trust no one in this administration to be truthful about what is in those notes.
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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NationalTitles17 View Post
    Fine and dandy if the original notes, unredacted, are released. I trust no one in this administration to be truthful about what is in those notes.
    the "transcript" will be like barr's "summary" of the mueller report.
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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    Hadn't thought about the repubs playing along for this reason - what if the doc is nothing? What if this is all an elaborate setup to cut the dems off at the knees?

    If the dems are right, this will effectively end his presidency. But if they're wrong, this will effectively give Trump 2020.
    At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, Brad makes a good point that this could be an elaborate ruse to force the Dems to show their hand and pursue impeachment. I would not be surprised if the whistleblower was working with the WH. I know there are some on here that do not believe Trump and the Republicans are not smart enough to orchestrate something like this. Trump realizes that a failed impeachment will energize his base and, his non supporters will once again see the Dems have been outmaneuvered.
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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Scenario 1: Trump bribed Ukraine quid pro quo.
    Scenario 2: Trump discussed Biden situation with Ukraine but definitely no quid pro quo.
    Scenario 3: Scenario 2 but with quid pro quo left up to interpretation.

    Scenario 1 comment: Agree with posters above. Trump has a history of withholding tax returns he believes may hurt his election and now re-election bids. Why would he so quickly (with senate republicans) push to release this if there was a smoking gun? This does not seem right.

    Scenario 2 comment: Trump discussed Biden situation as his duty to make sure Biden had not broken any laws (commendable) or to potentially gain fodder for a general election (sounds more likely). It would be difficult to prove it as a high crime, particularly with the argument that he was just fulfilling his duty.

    Scenario 3 comment: Vague language about Biden and foreign aid money in the same conversation that will be described as proof of conspiracy by those who want impeachment, but without a clear quid pro quo for those who do not. Most likely scenario. Trump would not be removed from office by the senate, and he would come out stronger for the general election.

    The notes of the conversation will be like minutes of a board meeting. Not verbatim, but inclusive of the topics of discussion. Only in scenario 1 does he get removed and I find it unlikely that it would be in the notes as such. We'll see how it plays out.
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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Probably doesn't mean anything but I'm hearing reports that the whistle blower has a political bias, didn't even hear the phone call, and has the same lawyer shared by Democratic operatives.
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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    the "transcript" will be like barr's "summary" of the mueller report.
    Exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrayTide View Post
    At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, Brad makes a good point that this could be an elaborate ruse to force the Dems to show their hand and pursue impeachment. I would not be surprised if the whistleblower was working with the WH. I know there are some on here that do not believe Trump and the Republicans are not smart enough to orchestrate something like this. Trump realizes that a failed impeachment will energize his base and, his non supporters will once again see the Dems have been outmaneuvered.
    Not much would surprise me anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueCrimson7 View Post
    Scenario 1: Trump bribed Ukraine quid pro quo.
    Scenario 2: Trump discussed Biden situation with Ukraine but definitely no quid pro quo.
    Scenario 3: Scenario 2 but with quid pro quo left up to interpretation.

    Scenario 1 comment: Agree with posters above. Trump has a history of withholding tax returns he believes may hurt his election and now re-election bids. Why would he so quickly (with senate republicans) push to release this if there was a smoking gun? This does not seem right.

    Scenario 2 comment: Trump discussed Biden situation as his duty to make sure Biden had not broken any laws (commendable) or to potentially gain fodder for a general election (sounds more likely). It would be difficult to prove it as a high crime, particularly with the argument that he was just fulfilling his duty.

    Scenario 3 comment: Vague language about Biden and foreign aid money in the same conversation that will be described as proof of conspiracy by those who want impeachment, but without a clear quid pro quo for those who do not. Most likely scenario. Trump would not be removed from office by the senate, and he would come out stronger for the general election.

    The notes of the conversation will be like minutes of a board meeting. Not verbatim, but inclusive of the topics of discussion. Only in scenario 1 does he get removed and I find it unlikely that it would be in the notes as such. We'll see how it plays out.
    Congress decides what behaviors constitute "high crimes and misdemeanors" as well as what evidence is sufficient to impeach and/or convict. It seems we could have video and audio of Trump engaging in scenario one or worse and some would not care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bazza View Post
    Probably doesn't mean anything but I'm hearing reports that the whistle blower has a political bias, didn't even hear the phone call, and has the same lawyer shared by Democratic operatives.
    Imagine that. That tells me that the whistleblower is not in on any potential ruse since the propaganda machine is in full swing against him/her. That idea can be thrown out.
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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

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    1) I took a much needed vacation and got in the rest of the 50 states I'd missed
    2) I've been suddenly having some very weird problems with my memory, which as you can imagine is probably far more frightening for me than for the average person
    I'm getting checked for some stuff on October 7 as part of my 'damn boy, you're 50' checkup.

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    House? Impeaches in a mostly party line vote (might be some Rs in toss-up districts that vote for it)
    Senate? Acquits in a mostly party line vote
    2020? Dems keep the House, win the White House, win the Senate
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    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    i may be wrong, but i think you are giving these guys way too much credit, they are not that bright.
    Oh, I agree - it would be somewhat surprising, but then again, not so much.

    I think we can all agree that, like it or not, Trump has outmaneuvered the dems since 2016. He's done things, said things, tweeted things that few politiicans would ever consider, due to thoughts of political suicide, yet here he is.

    Please don't mistake that for admiration - it's not - but he's stayed ahead of the dems since the election. I just don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that this was planted in order to embarrass the dems and make them gun shy in the future regarding impeachment - akin to inducing them into doing it on his terms, as he knows it's a one-shot deal.
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