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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 92tide View Post
    the "transcript" will be like barr's "summary" of the mueller report.
    Here's what probably would have happened, which is why I think this is the right move by Pelosi:

    1) I'll give ya the whole unedited transcript tomorrow
    2) Barr releases a 'summary' of the call - outcry ensues
    3) Barr releases 'redacted copy' of the call - outcry ensues
    4) Barr then basically says, 'You're gonna have to go to court to get the actual transcript.'


    Pelosi cut that off at the starting point, and there was a sound reason for it.


    FTR: we can debate and back and forth, and I'm one of those of the view that impeachment is a very serious thing - as is obstruction of justice by the head of the Executive Branch. So I actually would have been in favor of this if we had clear cut OOJ in the Mueller investigation (note: I did not read the report so maybe it was there), then impeach him.


    In this particular case, there is literally no gray area. The President of the United States asked a foreign government to interfere in an election in order to help him maintain power. As more than one conservative has said, "If that's not an impeachable offense, nothing is."
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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    I'll make a $100 donation to the Democratic Presidential candidate (regardless of whom that is) if Trump is removed from office and Pence begins his post-oath speech with, "Our long national embarrassment is now over."
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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NationalTitles17 View Post
    Exactly.



    Not much would surprise me anymore.



    Congress decides what behaviors constitute "high crimes and misdemeanors" as well as what evidence is sufficient to impeach and/or convict. It seems we could have video and audio of Trump engaging in scenario one or worse and some would not care.



    Imagine that. That tells me that the whistleblower is not in on any potential ruse since the propaganda machine is in full swing against him/her. That idea can be thrown out.
    they seem to be attempting the octopus ink strategy to spin.
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    I'm with Bazz, keep us updated on your health, Bill.
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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonaudio View Post
    Oh, I agree - it would be somewhat surprising, but then again, not so much.

    I think we can all agree that, like it or not, Trump has outmaneuvered the dems since 2016. He's done things, said things, tweeted things that few politiicans would ever consider, due to thoughts of political suicide, yet here he is.

    Please don't mistake that for admiration - it's not - but he's stayed ahead of the dems since the election. I just don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that this was planted in order to embarrass the dems and make them gun shy in the future regarding impeachment - akin to inducing them into doing it on his terms, as he knows it's a one-shot deal.
    you can say outmaneuvered, or you can say has brazenly ignored the law and is being enabled/shielded by the gop in the senate, so has gotten away with it. it cost them the house in 2018 which has led to where we are. and i think the impeachment inquiry will cover a lot more than just this ukraine/whistleblower stuff. that was just the straw that broke the camel's back for those who were on the fence about impeachment.

    just judging by the responses so far, it doesn't seem like the repubs/trump actually expected pelosi to pull the trigger and they were caught with their pants around their ankles.

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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    If this is a trap set by the GOP, my money says it was orchestrated by Putin. I just don’t believe Trump or his cronies are smart enough to dream this up. OTOH, I don’t think it’s a trap.

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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Bama View Post
    If this is a trap set by the GOP, my money says it was orchestrated by Putin. I just don’t believe Trump or his cronies are smart enough to dream this up. OTOH, I don’t think it’s a trap.
    i don't think putin is that smart either. if you follow the links earlier in the thread, the whole biden thing was initially floated by the russians in 2014, and it (imo) got resurrected in an attempt to smear biden since he is the front runner and quickly got out of hand.
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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by TrueCrimson7 View Post
    Scenario 1: Trump bribed Ukraine quid pro quo.
    Scenario 2: Trump discussed Biden situation with Ukraine but definitely no quid pro quo.
    Scenario 3: Scenario 2 but with quid pro quo left up to interpretation.

    Scenario 1 comment: Agree with posters above. Trump has a history of withholding tax returns he believes may hurt his election and now re-election bids. Why would he so quickly (with senate republicans) push to release this if there was a smoking gun? This does not seem right.

    Scenario 2 comment: Trump discussed Biden situation as his duty to make sure Biden had not broken any laws (commendable) or to potentially gain fodder for a general election (sounds more likely). It would be difficult to prove it as a high crime, particularly with the argument that he was just fulfilling his duty.

    Scenario 3 comment: Vague language about Biden and foreign aid money in the same conversation that will be described as proof of conspiracy by those who want impeachment, but without a clear quid pro quo for those who do not. Most likely scenario. Trump would not be removed from office by the senate, and he would come out stronger for the general election.

    The notes of the conversation will be like minutes of a board meeting. Not verbatim, but inclusive of the topics of discussion. Only in scenario 1 does he get removed and I find it unlikely that it would be in the notes as such. We'll see how it plays out.
    Here's how I see it:

    For this process, "reasonable doubt" isn't the standard; the standard is, basically, "Just how stupid do you think we are?" And yes, in many cases, the answer is "well, you seem pretty damned stupid to me..."

    Here are they key questions:

    1. When did Trump decide to suspend financial aid to Ukraine?
    2. When was the Ukrainian president told? The closer to the phone call, the more incriminating.
    3. What reason was given to the Ukranian president? Any variant of "I don't know" or "President Trump will discuss it with you" or "You'll have to discuss it with the president" = smoking gun

    Then we get to the actual phone call, which God knows what that will be, because Trump at times is more incoherent than Guiliani--which is saying something. And very simply, anything other than the complete transcript is unacceptable, as the DoJ simply cannot be trusted.
    This is the darkest timeline.

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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
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    1) I took a much needed vacation and got in the rest of the 50 states I'd missed
    2) I've been suddenly having some very weird problems with my memory, which as you can imagine is probably far more frightening for me than for the average person
    I'm getting checked for some stuff on October 7 as part of my 'damn boy, you're 50' checkup.

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    Predictions from anyone here on how this plays out?
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    PREDICTION ON 9/25/19
    House? Impeaches in a mostly party line vote (might be some Rs in toss-up districts that vote for it)
    Senate? Acquits in a mostly party line vote
    2020? Dems keep the House, win the White House, win the Senate
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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jthomas666 View Post
    Here's how I see it:

    Then we get to the actual phone call, which God knows what that will be, because Trump at times is more incoherent than Guiliani--which is saying something. And very simply, anything other than the complete transcript is unacceptable, as the DoJ simply cannot be trusted.
    The problem with this part is they don't record presidential phone call since Nixon, it is just people listening in and taking notes. This may be nothing or something depending on who was taking notes at the time.

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    Re: The Trump Impeachment Thread

    CNN is reporting that Trump asked Ukraine to work with Crazy G and Box of Rocks on investigating Biden.

    This collusion with a foreign power to interfere with the next election is just a continuation of what he did in the last election.

    Impeach his ass.
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