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    Re: What if SEC eliminated divisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ole Man Dan View Post
    I'm for eliminating East and West.
    I'm also for a 9 team SEC season.
    Again the problem is that you can do one or the other, but not both. Fair scheduling would be a constant problem.

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    Re: What if SEC eliminated divisions?

    I am for eliminating divisions except maybe with 2 permanent rivals. Possibly the schedules could be made more fair that way, but I haven't gone thru that. It would be great and more enjoyable at least from my viewpoint as a fan for all the teams to play each other more frequently. Since the Playoff Committees stated goal is to place the best 4 teams it would be nice if all the conferences structured their playoff (or lack of) to line up with the same goal.
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    Re: What if SEC eliminated divisions?

    I like divisional play because there is very rarely a rematch in the championship game. I like that a team has to win its division to qualify for the championship game. Yes, I know that the divisions aren't always the same strength, but I still like it that way. With the playoff still available for a national title, teams that don't qualify for the SEC championship can still qualify for the national title. I think that says a lot about our conference. We have benefited from that a couple of years ago with the playoff and a few more years ago in the BCS. We have too many teams in our conference to play every team, so schedule strength can still be an issue when comparing records, so I still like the division system in that regard, too.
    As far as the league schedule rotation, I wouldn't be opposed to dropping the permanent cross-division rival to rotate through all of the teams more often.

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    Re: What if SEC eliminated divisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson1967 View Post
    Boot out the four newbies and play a full round robin. No title game.


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    This would be my preference also, but there is no way the SEC goes back to a 10 team conference and plays 9 conference games a year. It really is the fairest way to determine the conference champion for every conference. Let the B1G really be the Big 10.
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    Re: What if SEC eliminated divisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaNation View Post
    Pretty interesting thought exercise on what would have happened if SEC divisions had been eliminated after 2014 expansion: https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...tball-thoughts


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    Will NEVER happen, so moot point...

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    Re: What if SEC eliminated divisions?

    I like the divisions, but I’m not in favor of either permanent opponents or an 8 game schedule. Make it 9 games and you play 3 teams from the other division on a rotation.
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    Re: What if SEC eliminated divisions?

    I do think the permanent cross division rivals needs to be eliminated, should have been at least with the last expansion. I also favor a 9 game conference schedule. I still would like to see Mizzou to the West and Auburn to the East. It would give better balance to the conference. If you have to keep cross divisional rivals:

    Auburn vs Alabama
    Florida vs LSU
    UGA vs Mizzou
    Kentucky vs Miss State
    Vanderbilt vs Ole Miss
    Tennessee vs Arkansas
    USCe vs TAMU
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    Re: What if SEC eliminated divisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by selmaborntidefan View Post
    I think it would be a good idea, but I also think it has zero chance of happening. The reason we don't have a nine-game SEC schedule nowadays is because the conference riffraff of Arky, the Mississippi teams, Kentucky, S Carolina, the Aggies, and Vanderbilt (that's fully half the conference, and you can include Mizzou)......they don't want it because there go those non-prestigious bowl games in luxurious holiday spots like Shreveport.


    Those teams I listed above are happy with a 6-win season that ends with a bowl game. Right now they make it by scheduling 4 cupcakes (at least 3 and 4 for most of them) and hoping for a 2-6 conference record that puts them at six wins. Force them to give up cupcake for a good team they don't play every year (for example, force Arkansas to actually have to play Florida and/or Georgia in the same year several times), and they'll be 4-8 and watching the mediocre teams play during the Christmas vacation.

    I also suspect the conference itself is wary because more regular season Alabama-Georgia games will both knock out one (or perhaps both) playoff participants out of the tournament as well as create what the Big 12 has now - almost guaranteed rematches for the conference title. The SECCG has been fortunate that very few of the games have been rematches. The odds of that increase dramatically when you don't have the participants locked into a divisional setup.


    The interesting case cited in the article above is 2013.........does anyone really doubt that had we lost The Play That Shall Not Be Named game the way we did that we would not have absolutely rolled Auburn in a rematch? And taking nothing at all away from that Tigers team, I think that setup is what made the loss more devastating and the win more thrilling for Auburn, the thing that made college football what it was. (And while it is obviously painful to recall, I will confess a certain level of awe at the You Tube videos from the stands of both that play and Rocky Block - it captures the fervor of the live event, and it's one of those moments that are so rare in life).

    That game is a fond recollection for Auburn fans and a nightmare one for us - but that really wouldn't be true if the two teams played a rematch seven days later.


    Personally, I'm for it because it solves the most obvious problem of "but the two best teams didn't play each other." Let me give a good example of what I mean.


    Imagine the year is 2008. Ole Miss loses to Wake Forest (which they did), Memphis (they won that one) and Florida (this was the famous Tebow Speech upset)......but knocks off #2 Alabama thanks to an obviously bad call, and the Tide runs the table. Because of the head-to-head, Ole Miss wins the West despite 3 losses to Alabama's one, two of those losses being pretty embarrassing. Imagine also that in the East, Florida goes 11-1 (as they did) with their only loss to Georgia (it was to Ole Miss as I said above).....whose only SEC loss is to Alabama, and the Dawgs are 10-2, with a loss to Ga Tech (which they did).


    You now have a situation where the SEC has two of the nation's best teams (as they did in 2008), both with one loss.......and both sitting at home watching two-loss Georgia play three-loss Ole Miss to determine the best team in the SEC. And rest assured that if that had happened three times in a row, the SEC would have made the necessary changes then.

    I'm generally against rematches in CFB because it tends to detract from the luster but.......I prefer rematches of the best teams in place of "well, the best team has to face somebody, so it may as well be the team that won solely on the basis of the divisional setup."


    SEC TITLE GAME CHANGES IF THERE WERE NO DIVISIONS
    (yes....I realize the schedules in more recent years with expansion would be somewhat different)
    1993 - Florida vs Tennessee
    1995 - Florida vs Tennessee
    1996 - Florida vs Tennessee
    1997 - Tennessee vs you tell me (four two-loss teams; UGA and LSU beat UF, Auburn beat UGA and LSU, UF beat Auburn)
    1998 - Florida vs Tennessee
    2001 - Florida vs Tennessee (the week after the makeup game from 9/11......)
    2002 - Georgia vs Florida
    2003 - LSU vs Ole Miss
    2005 - LSU vs Auburn (SEC champion UGA does not even make the game)
    2011 - LSU vs Alabama (presumably the Tide goes because of a better overall record????)
    To be fair, UGA & USC & UF have other reasons to oppose expanded SEC schedule, namely each has to play a non-conference Power 5 team each year (UGA-GT, USC-Clemson, & UF-FSU).

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    Re: What if SEC eliminated divisions?

    I mention this a lot.
    The answer is 8 game SEC schedule. 3 permanent rivals and 5 rotating games. No divisions. Every SEC team plays every other SEC team at least 2 times every 4 years. The main rivalries are preserved. The two top teams meet in the Championship Game.
    Also would be good to require every SEC team to play 2 Power Five non-conference teams every year.
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