The rugby scrum needs to go in college football
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Well, about that game, I still hold a grudge. And no, holding onto that grudge is not abnormal at all.1966 - Notre Dame, Michigan State
No grudge?
Watching some of the replay last night I noticed the only beef on the field on that play was Mathis and Musika. Musika was nowhere near the pile. UT had a serious weight advantage going on.
This is why I get tired of hearing the NCAA talk about player safety with the targeting rule. If they really cared about player safety they would eliminate things like this and try and stop diving at player’s knees (which ends more careers then targeting).
What the NCAA really cares about is money. Concussions became the focus because lawsuits were starting to get filed. So, when lawsuits start to get filed for knees and scrums, that’s when the NCAA will actually care. It’s not player safety, it’s their bottom line.
What the NCAA really cares about is money. Concussions became the focus because lawsuits were starting to get filed. So, when lawsuits start to get filed for knees and scrums, that’s when the NCAA will actually care. It’s not player safety, it’s their bottom line.
My mistake, I remember controversy over the Bush Push so I thought that was illegal then and the rule had changed somewhere along the way. This is definitely a rule change that needs to be made....as long as they don't call it like the Chiefs-Titans game when Mariota got sacked and fumbled with it recovered by the Chiefs but the ref blew the play dead saying forward progress before Mariota got sacked and fumbled...even though all he did was drop back and get trucked.
The rule in college and the pros are a bit different, but looking into it they amount to the same thing. The gist of it is simple - you cannot directly push, pull or lift/carry the ball carrier in an effort to help him advance the ball. However, you can try to push/block a would be tackler off of the ball carrier. So it comes down to this - is another offensive player directly pushing or pulling on the ball carrier, or just the pile? Because if it is just the pile, you can't tell if there is a penalty or not because you could be trying to move a tackler, not the ball carrier. For that reason, these plays do not get flagged.
It seems that in the NFL there are fewer of these plays because of the size, speed and strength of the first defenders to reach the ball carrier. The play tends to end very quickly once the RB is wrapped up. Also, these guys are trying to play the game without getting hurt. A great way to get hurt is to have someone hit you from behind in a scrum.
I'm just waiting for some serious injury to occur in one of these "scrums" or "mauls" or whatever you want to call it. They are getting ridiculous. A 210 pound running back meets a 220 pound linebacker who stops him. But before the LB can get the RB on the ground, 600 or 900 pounds of O-Linemen attack from the back and push everything forward. If they are really worried about injuries, this shouldn't be allowed.
College rules were like the NFL where no pushing was allowed. The Bush Push was illegal at the time. The push rule got changed about 1-2 years ago in college.
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In the era of player safety in which sneezing on the QB is now a personal foul one would think that allowing 15 people to pile on top of one guy and smash him like a grape would be illegal.
As a former Rugby player for the University of Alabama I can confirm these scrums are a bad idea, players will get hurt and I don't see the play as adding anything to the game. It's like going to a nice restaurant and you look in the kitchen to see the chef is using a dirty shovel to cook your prime rib. Once the running back is no longer moving forward on his own the play should be called.
Pretty sure that's why the "flying wedge" was banned from football. And that's all these "mauls" are.
Unassisted forward momentum? Cause that's the deal...the uTe play that mushed forward for another 10 yards started with the rb and 1 olineman in a bunch with 2 tide defenders and tech his momentum didn't "stop"...but then help got there and the pile started moving good again.
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