That is not going to happen. A lot of people make a lot of money in each of these conferences. Which billionaires are going to agree to give up that power? Which conference goes away? The SEC?
Poll: Should the CFP expand?
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Every other league for every other sport in the world has them. But, I get the idea that it doesn't quite work the same way in college football. It is possible to be 8-4 or maybe worse and you could win your conference. But how often does that happen?
Maybe slimming P5 to "P4" and eliminating certain teams who are simply not P5 football programs but then we get into all kinds of weird structuring and darned if "amateur" athletics doesn't become the NFL. And we already have an NFL that has many subpar games that no one wants to pay to go see as it is.
I know its not. I'm just saying thats the only way that conference champions getting an automatic bid makes senes to me.
The format I proposed of taking the P5 conference champs and one other highly ranked champs would also be a way to evaluate the conference strength head to head and make adjustments to the formula as time goes on. Let's say the AAC champ makes it in for three years and the PAC12 champ gets pasted in the first round in all three years, while the AAC champ moves on the the semi final or final in all three years. Maybe you could consider dropping the PAC12 as an automatic qualifier and replacing them with the AAC as the automatic qualifier. The PAC12 could still earn their way back in if they deserve it.
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So, by this logic the undefeated and defending national champion Clemson Tigers should not be in the playoff. Assuming everyone agrees that the SEC & the Big 10 are currently the best conferences, then only members of those conferences should be let in? In this century USC, Texas, and Clemson have won NC's coming out of conferences considered weak or weaker than the afore mentioned 2.
They should not automatically be in. They are not the defending champions. There is no such thing in college football - or any football for that matter.
This year they should get in because they are destroying their competition. But if they were just eeking out wins over that garbage schedule - yeah - I could leave them out.
Let's be honest here, if not for the antiquated bowl system the NCAA would've gone to a 16 (or more) team playoff decades ago. Taking only 4 teams out of 130 to determine a champion when there is so little cross-country competition among top teams is actually a pretty lousy and inaccurate means of crowning a champ. Who's to say Utah's 35-0 win over California is any better or worse than Bama's 38-7 win over MSU? Well in the cfp's case, a committee consisting of biased administrators, former players/coaches, politicians, and professors (not making that up). It's a bit of a joke. There's nothing magical about 4 teams vs 8 teams and there's nothing definitive showing that only the top 4 teams as determined by the cfp committee are capable of winning a playoff. Heck, after 14 years of hearing the same arguments about 2 teams and the BCS, it only took one playoff to disprove the 2-teamer argument as the #4 team won the first cfp (and did so again a few years later, which is why that argument subsided very quickly once cfp in place). The #1 seed has never won it.
4-teamers want to claim that the cfp committee always gets the top 4 right when they can't even accurately distinguish between #1 and #4. I'm expected to assume they always get #4 & #5 right when they frequently screw up #1 & #4, uhhh nope.
In 2014 TCU was capable of playing with anyone, with their lone loss a 3-point loss on the road to a top 10 team. Not having them in the playoff was an injustice (they beat top 10 Ole Miss 42-3 in bowl game, leaving little doubt they belonged). In 2017 UCF was ridiculed as not belonging, but then went to a bowl game and beat Auburn by roughly the same margin as #1 seed Clemson beat them, showing they belonged. Last year OSU had to sit out due to one poor showing in what was otherwise probably the most impressive resume of any team in the nation while an undeserving ND team was escorted in with a much more modest resume but no loss. OSU beats ND 9 out of 10 times last year, but they sat at home and watched ND predictably get creamed by Clemson.
Again, if a playoff greater than 4 teams is so bad, why does basically every major sport at every level in the world use that model? The answer is that it's not bad and those sports are not saddled with an antiquated bowl system that is serving as an anchor to college football. It's the only difference and it's the only reason a 16-team playoff wasn't implemented decades ago.
4-teamers want to claim that the cfp committee always gets the top 4 right when they can't even accurately distinguish between #1 and #4. I'm expected to assume they always get #4 & #5 right when they frequently screw up #1 & #4, uhhh nope.
In 2014 TCU was capable of playing with anyone, with their lone loss a 3-point loss on the road to a top 10 team. Not having them in the playoff was an injustice (they beat top 10 Ole Miss 42-3 in bowl game, leaving little doubt they belonged). In 2017 UCF was ridiculed as not belonging, but then went to a bowl game and beat Auburn by roughly the same margin as #1 seed Clemson beat them, showing they belonged. Last year OSU had to sit out due to one poor showing in what was otherwise probably the most impressive resume of any team in the nation while an undeserving ND team was escorted in with a much more modest resume but no loss. OSU beats ND 9 out of 10 times last year, but they sat at home and watched ND predictably get creamed by Clemson.
Again, if a playoff greater than 4 teams is so bad, why does basically every major sport at every level in the world use that model? The answer is that it's not bad and those sports are not saddled with an antiquated bowl system that is serving as an anchor to college football. It's the only difference and it's the only reason a 16-team playoff wasn't implemented decades ago.
Not talking about you, owenfieldreams, but this is not supposed to be about last year. Remember? That's what SO MANY people in the national scene said when ALABAMA was the defending champ a few times. Yes, schedules are planned years in advance. That's my first argument for Clemson. They can't help it that their conference is even worse than the Pac-12. But I don't think they should just be in because they went undefeated. Fortunately for them, they've dominated about everybody but UNC.
I bet if A&M or even Kentucky had Clemson's schedule, they'd each win 9, maybe 10 games. The 2019 Clemson schedule is pathetic, just pathetic, just like the ACC. At least the committee is savvy enough to not give a pity ranking to one of the ACC, just to give Clemson a top 25 win. I actually figured they would.
And that's it really isn't it? Any dispute in the world? Just follow the money. There's the answer. :biggrin:
It would work and it wouldn't water down anything and it wouldn't let undeserving teams suddenly start winning titles.
Not just amount of money, but who controls the money. Last thing any of the Power 5 conferences want is the NCAA getting its hands in the playoff cookie jar.
As the money issues are ironed out the cfp will expand, money issues tied to old bowl system being the main obstacle...because otherwise an expanded playoff is the universally accepted way to crown a champion in football and other sports, and will likely generate more $$.
the only way it's a horrid idea is if you feel the bowl system is sacred and don't want to see it further diminished, or if you are a fan of one of the six to eight elite teams that will inevitably dominate the cfp for decades to come if it remains 4 teams.
If you loved college football for what it was all along, why would you want to see it radically changed?
If you for some reason disliked what college football was, and believe all that tradition, all the things that come along with college football are really unimportant, then why wouldn't you want to see it changed radically?
I find it hard to fathom though that there are actually people who are in the second group and still take the time to post here. I didn't grow to appreciate college football this much because it was like all the other sports. It was specifically because it wasn't like that. I grew less and less interested in the MLB, NBA, and NFL in large part because I vastly preferred college football.
The fact is I think it's embarrassing that the NFL has a process so ridiculous that they crown a 10-6 team over a 16-0 (regular season of course) team due to the result of a single contest. The NCAA basketball tournament has produced similarly absurd results. Uconn won the NCAA tournament after going 9-9 in their conference! 9-9!
I could go on, but I answer the question of why can't college football be like all those other sports in rather simple terms. Because how all those other sports do it is ridiculous and it completely devalues the regular season.
If you for some reason disliked what college football was, and believe all that tradition, all the things that come along with college football are really unimportant, then why wouldn't you want to see it changed radically?
I find it hard to fathom though that there are actually people who are in the second group and still take the time to post here. I didn't grow to appreciate college football this much because it was like all the other sports. It was specifically because it wasn't like that. I grew less and less interested in the MLB, NBA, and NFL in large part because I vastly preferred college football.
The fact is I think it's embarrassing that the NFL has a process so ridiculous that they crown a 10-6 team over a 16-0 (regular season of course) team due to the result of a single contest. The NCAA basketball tournament has produced similarly absurd results. Uconn won the NCAA tournament after going 9-9 in their conference! 9-9!
I could go on, but I answer the question of why can't college football be like all those other sports in rather simple terms. Because how all those other sports do it is ridiculous and it completely devalues the regular season.
Automatic qualifiers are a horrid idea. They would kill inter-conference play and reward weak teams that get lucky in conference championship games after putting together a regular season W/L record that would otherwise disqualify them.
Horrid idea. It is horrid in the NFL. It is horrid in MLB. It would be horrid in the CFP.
Dang, just having a conversation here. We all love college football but are discussing how it might be better. Just opinions man. You are a great poster but this really is not a black and white argument. I think a lot of us are tired of polls, committees and a bunch of other yaw yaws that seem to direct the sport. I mean, I could be wrong.
I think 6 would be the appropriate number with #1 and #2 having BYE's. Also, NO automatic qualifiers.
I also think we need to replace the 13 member committee with a VOTE by the members of TideFans. I just know that the decision would be less SUBJECTIVE than what it currently is.
With the way things are currently looking, Alabama will NOT be one of the 4 playoff teams. Oklahoma will NOT either. That means Alabama vs Oklahoma in a bowl game. Without Tua vs Jalen, I do NOT want this to happen! Even with Tua, I would NOT want this to happen. I do think that match-up could draw lots of TV, etc. interests. The stadium hosting it would be a sell-out. I do think that the winner of Utah vs Oregon will be the 4th team and NOT Baylor or Oklahoma. P. S. I'll be pulling for the Aggies this weekend vs Jawja.
I also think we need to replace the 13 member committee with a VOTE by the members of TideFans. I just know that the decision would be less SUBJECTIVE than what it currently is.
With the way things are currently looking, Alabama will NOT be one of the 4 playoff teams. Oklahoma will NOT either. That means Alabama vs Oklahoma in a bowl game. Without Tua vs Jalen, I do NOT want this to happen! Even with Tua, I would NOT want this to happen. I do think that match-up could draw lots of TV, etc. interests. The stadium hosting it would be a sell-out. I do think that the winner of Utah vs Oregon will be the 4th team and NOT Baylor or Oklahoma. P. S. I'll be pulling for the Aggies this weekend vs Jawja.
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