Simpson's Punishment?

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I read calls from Finebaum and Scarbinski for severe and tough punishment for Simpson. I can't understand the need for their call or for the severity. Am I looking at this through crimson colored glasses? Or, is their call for punishment a meadia frustration with the way CMS handles punishment.

It appears to me Simpson was in a car with someone posessing marajuana. He did have a gun. The gun was stolen but he had tried to verify the legitimacy of the gun which was verified by Northport PD. He tested clean for drugs both before and after the incident. Lastly, Simpson recognizing the severity of the implications went into a drug prevention type program.

In my opinion it looks as if Simpson has taken a good citizen approach on ammending the situation. So, what is up over there that Finebaum and Scarbinski keep asking for a death peanalty?
 

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i think a big part of it is that those two, along with many (most?) other sports writers, predicted that shula was the wrong hire and that he'd be a total disaster and out the door by now.

the fact that he's proven them wrong makes them look stupid and they'll take any opportunity to make things more difficult for him.

oh, and the fact that scarbinsky's a total auburn homer.
 

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i think a big part of it is that those two, along with many (most?) other sports writers, predicted that shula was the wrong hire and that he'd be a total disaster and out the door by now.

the fact that he's proven them wrong makes them look stupid and they'll take any opportunity to make things more difficult for him.

oh, and the fact that scarbinsky's a total auburn homer.
...not to mention their comments leading to 'net traffic like this thread. ;)

I still find myself thinking about the duplicity with all of these writers (re: Shula as the wrong hire.) Did you see one person report on Croom saying last year at Media Days that he blew the interview himself?
 

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When...

you're asked what your vision is for the Crimson Tide, and you sit there like a bump on a log, with no answer, I'd call that "super-blown."
 

TerryP

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Re: When...

you're asked what your vision is for the Crimson Tide, and you sit there like a bump on a log, with no answer, I'd call that "super-blown."
LOL.

When you are asked who you would bring in as Assistant Coaches and you respond with names like Woody McCorvey and Ellis Johnson the phrase "not a chance in Hades" comes to mind! :biggrin2:
 

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The comparison of the actions of players at the barn and OU are laughable, as covered in this morning's paper. Simpson didn't have a permit for a gun he had under his seat in a box. The barns troubled pair were both involved in a drunk driving accident-then leaving and drunk in a field, having just escaped a wreck in a stolen escort.
Simpson shouldn't miss any games. Finebaum's just mad because CMS won't give him the time of day, where as Tubs and him have been to the mountain, if you know what I mean.
 

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Heh. Did anyone read that last article on Tubs by Finebaum? Vince Lombardi's mother says less complementary things about him than PF says about Tubs. To quote Air Supply, I think Finebaum is "Lost in Love." :redface:
 

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CMS handles discipline the way it should be, discreetly. I am sure the team is well aware of his punishments and in many cases so is the public when it involves game suspensions etc. Giving the media fodder serves no purpose.
 

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The bad facts as they have been out in the press are these:

1. Simpson was driving a car that had marijuana in it.
2. He had a gun in the car. Guns and weed don't mix, no matter which was whose.
3. He didn't have a permit for the gun. And this is a Criminal Justice major.
4. The gun was stolen.
5. He has pled guilty to the possession charges and is going through a drug prevention program.

Mitigators are:
1. Simpson tested negative for drug use, both before and after the incident.
2. It isn't illegal to own a gun. I own several myself.
3. He tried to track the gun with an inquiry to law enforcement. Unfortunately, the Northport PD gave him bad information.

Boiled down to factors for which there are no mitigators: Simpson was driving a car that had marijuana in it, and didn't have a permit for the gun he also had in his possession. He must have had some reason to question its provenance -- else why the inquiry to the Northport PD in the first place?

That doesn't warrant a season's suspension. But it does warrant something. I say 3 - 4 game suspension.
 

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That doesn't warrant a season's suspension. But it does warrant something. I say 3 - 4 game suspension.
3-4 games?! Geez! I'm glad you're not a judge I have to appear before and I hope you're not on any jury I ever appear before! Basically, Simpson exercised poor judgment as to who he would associate that fateful evening. He did not yet have a license for the weapon. He knows that was wrong and has admitted to the error. So, he suspected the gun might be stolen. He did what he should have concerning that and got incorrect information from the Northport PD. I totally trust Shula to dole out fair and equitable punishment. I'm not sure that punishment should even include a suspension; however, if it does, It should be for no more than one game.

Let me tell you about getting stopped with illegal drugs in the car. Some years ago...long before law school, I was planning a trip to Orlando for the SEC Hoops Tourney. I was packing my bag and preparing to go to a friend's place to load up and head to FL. Well...another friend showed up at my place as I was packing and asked what was up. I told him and he expressed an interest in going. I told him that his car was probably in the best shape and likely the only one big enough for the three of us and our things. He said he'd be happy to drive. Well...when we got to the third guy's house, while waiting for him to bring his stuff to the car, the driver showed me his "stash." He asked how the other guy would react. I said, "you probably shouldn't let him know you have it." Well...we keep it quiet. WE get down to FL and we get stopped b/c my friend has a headlight out. He gets a warning and is told to replace the headlight within 72 hours. So far, so good. No problem. Well...we head on down the road and get stopped again. I hear something that sounds like keys or coins jingling outside my (passenger side front) window while the officer is talking to my friend (the driver). About that time, this german shephard's head comes through the open window a mere inch or two from my face and less than f2 feet from my friend's stash (marijuana, btw). My heart is pounding. I'm thinking my life is over all because we are in this car instead of my car or the other guy's car. To say that my friend now needed new upholstry in his passenger side front seat is a gross understatement. Well...after my heart raced for a few minutes and I thought about how I was going to explain my pending incarceration, the officer with the dog went on around the car and the dog sniffed every inch of the car. The other officer looked at the warning from the earlier stop. Thanked us for our patience, and suggested that we go ahead and replace the light the next morning before we get stopped again. We sat there and waited for the police to leave and the driver and I started talking about how our lives were passing before our eyes, how frightened we were, how we were thinking about who we would have called to bail us out, etc. The guy in the back says, "wait a minute! What are y'all talking about? What's wrong? Is there something I should be concerned about?? I told the driver that he should probably come clean, since, after all, the poor guy in the dark could have been hauled in without even knowing what for. Well...the driver came clean and the guy in the back nearly had a coniption. Now, I didn't know what was in the car when I got in, but when I found out, I did nothing. The third guy didn't have a clue until after the potential trouble was aver with. Regardless, we all three could have been carted off and best case scenario, we two passengers would have at least had an embarrassing incident. At worst, an arrest record...but did we passengers actually do anything wrong? Was my silence upon finding out that there was an illegal substance in the car in which I was riding an offense? Did it make me complicit in the possession? Should I have been punished if the dog had found the stuff?

Now, Juwan was the driver/owner(?) and therefore, bore responsiblility for what was in the car--although, apparently, it did not belong to him. For that matter, he may or may not have even known it was there. In my opinion, if there is anything for Shula to punish, it is only for having a weapon without a license to carry it. For that, 3-4 games is unduly harsh. In my opinion, even one game would be a bit harsh for that, Sounds more like "sit out for the first series or two of the first game." Plus, some extra running.
 

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Finebaum has just been giving Tuberville praise and giving Shula grief this offseason because it is not only convenient, but it stirs more controversy. If it were the other way around, he would get no attention. He'll always use Alabama fans as his main ticket to bring home a pay check, and there is no better way to get attention from Bama fans than to give Auburn praise and let Alabama have it every chance he gets. It is all so obvious, and that is why I quit listening to that show a long time ago. :rolleyes:
 

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3-4 games?! Geez! I'm glad you're not a judge I have to appear before and I hope you're not on any jury I ever appear before! Basically, Simpson exercised poor judgment as to who he would associate that fateful evening. He did not yet have a license for the weapon. He knows that was wrong and has admitted to the error. So, he suspected the gun might be stolen. He did what he should have concerning that and got incorrect information from the Northport PD. I totally trust Shula to dole out fair and equitable punishment. I'm not sure that punishment should even include a suspension; however, if it does, It should be for no more than one game.

Let me tell you about getting stopped with illegal drugs in the car. Some years ago...long before law school, I was planning a trip to Orlando for the SEC Hoops Tourney. I was packing my bag and preparing to go to a friend's place to load up and head to FL. Well...another friend showed up at my place as I was packing and asked what was up. I told him and he expressed an interest in going. I told him that his car was probably in the best shape and likely the only one big enough for the three of us and our things. He said he'd be happy to drive. Well...when we got to the third guy's house, while waiting for him to bring his stuff to the car, the driver showed me his "stash." He asked how the other guy would react. I said, "you probably shouldn't let him know you have it." Well...we keep it quiet. WE get down to FL and we get stopped b/c my friend has a headlight out. He gets a warning and is told to replace the headlight within 72 hours. So far, so good. No problem. Well...we head on down the road and get stopped again. I hear something that sounds like keys or coins jingling outside my (passenger side front) window while the officer is talking to my friend (the driver). About that time, this german shephard's head comes through the open window a mere inch or two from my face and less than f2 feet from my friend's stash (marijuana, btw). My heart is pounding. I'm thinking my life is over all because we are in this car instead of my car or the other guy's car. To say that my friend now needed new upholstry in his passenger side front seat is a gross understatement. Well...after my heart raced for a few minutes and I thought about how I was going to explain my pending incarceration, the officer with the dog went on around the car and the dog sniffed every inch of the car. The other officer looked at the warning from the earlier stop. Thanked us for our patience, and suggested that we go ahead and replace the light the next morning before we get stopped again. We sat there and waited for the police to leave and the driver and I started talking about how our lives were passing before our eyes, how frightened we were, how we were thinking about who we would have called to bail us out, etc. The guy in the back says, "wait a minute! What are y'all talking about? What's wrong? Is there something I should be concerned about?? I told the driver that he should probably come clean, since, after all, the poor guy in the dark could have been hauled in without even knowing what for. Well...the driver came clean and the guy in the back nearly had a coniption. Now, I didn't know what was in the car when I got in, but when I found out, I did nothing. The third guy didn't have a clue until after the potential trouble was aver with. Regardless, we all three could have been carted off and best case scenario, we two passengers would have at least had an embarrassing incident. At worst, an arrest record...but did we passengers actually do anything wrong? Was my silence upon finding out that there was an illegal substance in the car in which I was riding an offense? Did it make me complicit in the possession? Should I have been punished if the dog had found the stuff?

Now, Juwan was the driver/owner(?) and therefore, bore responsiblility for what was in the car--although, apparently, it did not belong to him. For that matter, he may or may not have even known it was there. In my opinion, if there is anything for Shula to punish, it is only for having a weapon without a license to carry it. For that, 3-4 games is unduly harsh. In my opinion, even one game would be a bit harsh for that, Sounds more like "sit out for the first series or two of the first game." Plus, some extra running.
Let me get this straight -- you get into a car you know has mj in it, and you're headed for another state. And oh, by the way, you don't mention that fact to a totally innocent third party. Then you either know beforehand, or find out as soon as it's dark, that the car is also missing a headlight. Somewhere in that time line, you cross state lines. You get stopped for the headlight and become incontinent because of the mj you've known is there since before you set off. And now you want sympathy because it wasn't yours? You're lucky the guy in the back seat didn't permanently raise your voice.

Some years later, Juwan Simpson has an unlicensed gun and marijuana in a car he's driving, but should skate, or at worst, get a love tap on the wrist, because you did something stupid and incredibly selfish and ended up peeing in a car seat several years ago?

That's fractured logic. For your clients' sakes, I hope your arguments in front of a jury hold more water.
 

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Let me get this straight -- you get into a car you know has mj in it, and you're headed for another state. And oh, by the way, you don't mention that fact to a totally innocent third party. Then you either know beforehand, or find out as soon as it's dark, that the car is also missing a headlight. Somewhere in that time line, you cross state lines. You get stopped for the headlight and become incontinent because of the mj you've known is there since before you set off. And now you want sympathy because it wasn't yours? You're lucky the guy in the back seat didn't permanently raise your voice.

Some years later, Juwan Simpson has an unlicensed gun and marijuana in a car he's driving, but should skate, or at worst, get a love tap on the wrist, because you did something stupid and incredibly selfish and ended up peeing in a car seat several years ago?

That's fractured logic. For your clients' sakes, I hope your arguments in front of a jury hold more water.
First, let's clear up some misunderstandings. No, I did not get in a car that I knew had jarijuana in it, though that wouldn't have stopped me from getting in. It was spring break! I found out once we got to the third guy's house. At that point, I could choose to abandon the road trip (what 20-something guy is going to do that?), keep my mouth shut. rat out my one friend to my other friend. Now, I knew I could trust my friend not to break the stuff out in the presence of the other friend. So I didn't forsee a problem. Again, this was a good 8-10 years before I went to law school. It was after dark when we left. It was nearly midnight. I think my friend may have mentioned something about the headlight before we left, but, hey, we were headed to Orlando for a hoops tourney and then to Daytona for Spring Break. We had nothing but fun in the sun on our minds.BTW: what is the point about "heading for another state or crossing state lines? I've never been stopped when crossing state lines before or since--and wasn't on that night Both stops were well into the state of FL. No, I did not "become incontinent" and "Pee in my friend's seat. That was merely a figure of speech. Sorry it was lost on you. Again, I did not know about the weed until after we had gone from Tuscaloosa, through Northport, across the bridge, over to the south side of Tuscaloosa, and stopped at the third guy's apartment. I suggested that my friend with the weed not tell the other guy because I knew the guy would go balistic. There was no intent to place the guy in any legal peril nor any anticipation thereof. Did I ask for sympathy? NO! I just told a story about something that happened in the late 80's/early 90's about how a totally innocent guy, the guy in the back seat, could have been in trouble and not even known what was going on. Why would he "raise my voice?" I gave him plausible deniability. Also, believe me, the driver was a stand-up guy and would have claimed ownership and protected the other two of us...or at least helped me in clearing the third guy. I don't see where what I did was "stupid" for me at the time or under the circumstances. We were all already out of college; however, we were headed to FL for a tourney and it just happened to be spring break, too...so we were sort of reliving our college years and pretending to be "spring breakers." (Have you seen the movie "OLd School"?) For the record, My only client at this time is the bank for which I am employed. I am not currently a trial attorney. HOwever, when I was doing criminal work, I had a client who had committed a parole violation by possessing a weapon (which happened to be stolen.) While possessing that weapon, he got in a shootout and emptied his gun into another guy's chest at point blank range. He was brought up on a probation revocation violation on the weapon charge--not the shooting--there were no charges for that. Well instead of getting revoked and having to go back to prison and serve the remaining 17 years on a 3/20 split sentence, he got three months in the county lock-up. I'd say I can make pretty good arguments. BTW, that was before a judge--not a jury!

...and, no, I'm not saying that Simpson should "skate"; however, he shouldn't have to sit out a third of the season for something that the law couldn't even hang on him.
If I can have a client put another guy in ICU for 3 months and that client be back out on the streets before the other guy is out of the hospital, One, I'd say I did my job pretty darn well. Two, I'd say that your idea of appropriate punishment is way over the top.

Now, back to the driver/owner of the car and weed in my story. Again, I wasn't even thinking of law school at that point in my life; however, as a friend of both guys, I owed my loyalty to both of them. One showed me something in confidence. I suggested that he "keep it under his hat" for the sake of the three of us having a good trip. Had any trouble come of the stop, I would have shown my loyalty to the other guy by wholeheartedly supporting his truthful claims of ignorance and innocence.(BTW, the other two guys had never met before that night.) Well, the rest of the trip and the remainder of the third guy's life, that little episode was one of many jokes which arose from that trip.

If I do want sympathy, it's because after that ordeal, we never "inhaled" the stuff on that trip.;)

No, I don't mean to be making a big joke of my situation or Juwan's; however, I just don't see the big deal in either situation. Same with the reaction on this board when the incident first broke in the news or when JPW's incident hit the news, or a couple of years back when the Britt boy "bumped" a cop in an incident on the strip. Guys will be guys. People--especially athletes--are not going to be choirboys. I'll tell you this, when I was doing court appointed juvenile work, I can't tell you how many times I sat in court with other attorney's who I knew would have tested positive on a given day while we worked out a deal to send one kid after another to boot camp--or worse--for using the same stuff I knew the other attorney's (and some of the social workers, pO's, etc.) were using.

We've clearly got vastly different opinions about what donstitutes "appropriate" punishment. I'm glad that the judges I've appeared before agreed more with my views than with yours.
 

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Had the weirdest dream a few nights back [must have been dozing during the 10 o'clock news] that they were reporting JS would miss Homecoming for his punishment. Even dreamt they interviewed him about it. Thought it was unusual but the dream seemed very real. Next day I knew for sure I had dreamed it after checking all the message boards for comment and, of course, not finding any!
 

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If J.S. gets zero punishment from Coach Shula that will be fine with me. I have grown thick skin toward the talking heads that always have the answers and are quick to point out how we did things the wrong way. Blank em. thats what i say.:BigA:
 

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We've clearly got vastly different opinions about what donstitutes "appropriate" punishment. I'm glad that the judges I've appeared before agreed more with my views than with yours.
You'd like me even less, then, than 4Q Basket Case. In my book, commit any misdemeanor or greater and you forfeit your game time - permanently. If you have the character to stick it out, then stay in school, contribute on the scout squad and get your education, but no more Saturday silks. I believe that any more lenient approach invites trouble and uncertainty.

When you are a scholarship football player at Alabama, you are special. Show yourself not to be and your status ought to reflect that.
 

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Finebaum isn't the only one frustrated by CMS's privacy policy, I think many fans and the public in general think that "in-house" = no punishment. Discipline in all areas of life has always been a trait of CMS. I remember hearing stories regarding CMS that he attended mass daily as a student/player, and NEVER missed it. The fact that he promotes a "family" type of atmosphere where things are dealt with internally instead of at a press conference is refreshing. I think in the end the players respond both on and off the field. We often forget that these are YOUNG men, going through a time of transition in life. Mistakes will be made, publicly humiliating these young men as a means of boosting a coaches public image (i.e. Tubbs) is not doing whats in the teams or the individuals best interest.
 

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