You Make the Call 9/29

To take a stab at it off the top of my head.

The clip is going to be enforced half the distance. So replay 1st down, 1st and 10 from the 10.

You then have the 2 unsportsmanlike penalties. So, in the order they occurred. You will go 15 yards for the white penalty. To the 25. You are then going to only go half the distance for the red penatly. The ball will go on the 12 1/2 yard line.

I think you have 1st and 7 1/2 yards to go from the red 12 1/2

This is totally off the top of my head and very likely wrong.

bamajake said:

Red ball, first and ten at its own 10 yard line. Red runs a toss sweep that goes to the 50. During the play, Red 5 clips White 10 at the Red 20 yard line. White 10 jumps up and curses Red 5. Red 5 responds with cursing of his own. Where will the ball be spotted and what will be the down and distance needed for a first down?

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1st and 7-1/2 at the 12-1/2 yard line

bamajake said:

Red ball, first and ten at its own 10 yard line. Red runs a toss sweep that goes to the 50. During the play, Red 5 clips White 10 at the Red 20 yard line. White 10 jumps up and curses Red 5. Red 5 responds with cursing of his own. Where will the ball be spotted and what will be the down and distance needed for a first down?

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Regardless of the enforcement, Red #5 needs some anger management therapy! DT_iq:

On second thought, nothing is said about flags being thrown for the cursing. I that case I am going half the distance from the 20.

1st and 10 from the 10.

If flags were thrown, I stick with my first answer

The officials are blind to anything that Red does wrong. They don't "see" the clip or the Red 5 player outburst, but they flag White 10 for his outburst.

1st and 10 for Red at the White 35. With the help of a bogus pass interference call later in the drive, Red scores a TD and goes up 7-0... :biggrin:

At least, this has been my experience when watching football games... :rofl:

bamajake said:

My, my NYBamaFan, where have you been watching games? VolFan, assume that flags are tossed for each foul.

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It that case, I am sticking with my original answer.

1st and 7 1/2 from the 12 1/2

NYBamaFan said:

The officials are blind to anything that Red does wrong. They don't "see" the clip or the Red 5 player outburst, but they flag White 10 for his outburst.

1st and 10 for Red at the White 35. With the help of a bogus pass interference call later in the drive, Red scores a TD and goes up 7-0... :biggrin:

At least, this has been my experience when watching football games... :rofl:

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Wow...is this the Tennessee/Alabama game?

1st & 10 from the 10

Thanks. I really wasn't 100% on that one. I knew there was more to it than half the distance for clipping and then offset the USC.

VolFan1 said:

Got to talking about this play with an official that I work with. He agrees that the ball goes on the 12 1/2. He claims that is should be first and ten from here.

Here is the reason. When the USC penalty is enforced on the defense the ball goes to the 25. This spot gives the offense a first down. You then mark the 12 1/2 yards off to the 12 1/2 for the USC on the offesnse, from there it is 1st and 10 from the 12 1/2.

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That's exactly right. When enforcing penalties on downs 1, 2, & 3, if any markoff puts the offense past the line-to-gain (as happened here with the first USC markoff), it will be first down. However, the chains are NOT set until after all enforcements, meaning they will be set at 1st-&-10 from the 7.5 yard line. (Prior to 1997, the chains were set after the first USC enforcement, which would have given Red the ball at the 7.5 with a 1st-&-25.)

4th down enforcement can be different, depending on what fouls occurred and when. Assume that Red gains two yards on a 4th-&-three play.. Now, since the LTG wasn't reached during live-ball play, White will decline the clipping penalty, and it will be White's ball following enforcement of both USC fouls in order of occurrence.

bamajake said:

My, my NYBamaFan, where have you been watching games? VolFan, assume that flags are tossed for each foul.

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What he said is almost exactly what happened in the Tennessee/Florida game a few years ago.