You Make The Call 10/20

bamajake · Oct 20, 2009

OK, lets go back to the kicking game.

Red trails White 14-12 with 3 seconds remaining in the game. Red lines up to attempt a 40 yard field goal. As time runs out, the kick sails through the air and clearly goes over the crossbar and between the uprights. A sudden gust of wind blows the ball back across the crossbar where it falls to the ground in White's endzone. The ball never touched anything behind the goalpost and never got below the level of the crossbar prior to dropping into the endzone. What is the final score of the game?

TSUBAMAFAN · Oct 20, 2009

15-14 Red wins, like the goal line, once it crosses the score is good.

NYBamaFan · Oct 20, 2009

TSUBAMAFAN said:
15-14 Red wins, like the goal line, once it crosses the score is good.

I'll go with this, because it is consistent with thier scoring philosophy. That said, it is the kicking game, so they might deduct points or something silly... :wink:

VolFan1 · Oct 20, 2009

14-12

Rule: 8-4-1c...I think

bamajake · Oct 20, 2009

15-14. You got the right rule VolFan, you just need to look a little closer. The kick need only pass between the uprights and above the crossbar of the goalpost. Now for extra credit. Same situation but the ball goes above the top of the uprights and half of the ball is directly over the top of the upright and half is inside of the upright. What is the final score?

VolFan1 · Oct 20, 2009

bamajake said:
15-14. You got the right rule VolFan, you just need to look a little closer. The kick need only pass between the uprights and above the crossbar of the goalpost. Now for extra credit. Same situation but the ball goes above the top of the uprights and half of the ball is directly over the top of the upright and half is inside of the upright. What is the final score?

14-12 in your second scenario. It has to be fully INSIDE the upright.

NYBamaFan · Oct 20, 2009

VolFan1 said:
14-12 in your second scenario. It has to be fully INSIDE the upright.

I agree, just because you are good at this stuff... :biggrin:

VolFan1 · Oct 20, 2009

NYBamaFan said:
I agree, just because you are good at this stuff... :biggrin:

I missed the original question on this one

Got the rule right but the answer wrong

NYBamaFan · Oct 20, 2009

VolFan1 said:
I missed the original question on this one Got the rule right but the answer wrong

I just don't see you going 0 for 2 in the same thread... :wink:

VolFan1 · Oct 20, 2009

NYBamaFan said:
I just don't see you going 0 for 2 in the same thread... :wink:

I hope not...we will see. Guess it would help if I was actually confirming my thoughts with the rule book. The one I answered incorrectly earlier in the thread a buddy from work gave me the rule number....bad thing is, he agreed that I had the right answer.

TSUBAMAFAN · Oct 21, 2009

In the Pros this would be good, but primarily based on bamajake's answer "kick need only pass between the uprights ...." it would seem that the kick does not count.

bamajake · Oct 21, 2009

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. Several actually. For a kick above the top of the uprights, if any part of the ball is over the upright, it is no good. That really doesn't make sense because if the ball hits the upright but goes through anyway it is good.

VolFan1 · Oct 21, 2009

bamajake said:
15-14. You got the right rule VolFan, you just need to look a little closer. The kick need only pass between the uprights and above the crossbar of the goalpost. Now for extra credit. Same situation but the ball goes above the top of the uprights and half of the ball is directly over the top of the upright and half is inside of the upright. What is the final score?

I have the book in front of me now and the rule clearly states:

The kicked ball shall pass between the vertical uprights or the inside of the uprights extended and above the crossbar of the opponents goal.

You are right, unless I am missing an exception, it says nothing about coming back through...so, even if it does come back through it has already met the criteria for a good kick.

bamajake · Oct 21, 2009

Yep. Plus, take a look at 2009 Case Book, page 61, Situation 8.4.1.

For the benefit if the non-officials out there, each year officials are given a current Rules Book and a current Case Book. The Case Book contains play situations with the proper ruling for each situation. Sometimes the Case Book rulings clear up any confusion and sometimes they make it more confusing. In either event, we are expected to not only know the rules but the case plays as well.

FYA, the case play I cited above is:

"The field goal attempt: (a) goes directly over an upright; or (b) is clearly over the crossbar between the uprights. In (a) and (b), the ball is blown back by the wind so that it drops into B's end zone. RULING: In (a) it is an unsuccessful attempt because the ball did not penetrate the plane of the goal between the inside of the uprights extended. It is a legal field goal in (b) and it doesn't matter if the ball comes back above or below the crossbar. (8-4-1c)."

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