2024 Presidential Election XI

[92tide]

no one could have predicted this

'All hell has broken loose': Inside Elon Musk's high-stakes pro-Trump door-knocking effort

More than a half-dozen operatives and canvassers connected to America PAC described an inordinate number of suspect entries and having to canvass during Hurricane Helene.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Bazza]

1 more day!

 

[NationalTitles18]

 

[Jon]

a message from Bernie

 

[Go Bama]

a message from Bernie

There’s nothing in that video that doesn’t make sense.

 

[Bamaro]

 

[Go Bama]

I love the Lincoln Project, but this one goes too far for me. I didn’t take Trump to mean Liz Cheney should be executed, rather she is a war hawk who should have to experience battle before she sends our young men off to war. If Trump had said the same thing about Tammy Duckworth, that would be different.

 

[NationalTitles18]

I love the Lincoln Project, but this one goes too far for me. I didn’t take Trump to mean Liz Cheney should be executed, rather she is a war hawk who should have to experience battle before she sends our young men off to war. If Trump had said the same thing about Tammy Duckworth, that would be different.

I have two main counterpoints:

1. He is still behaving irresponsibly with the violent imagery (which did not take place in a vacuum, but is a pattern of behavior involving multiple people)

2. I think that pattern of behavior has to be taken into account.

Trump Fantasized About Liz Cheney’s Violent Death. The Rest Is Trivial.

The firing squad vs. combat debate misses the ambiguity—and the importance—of the former president’s remarks.

www.thebulwark.com

One reason is that he has explicitly called for Cheney and other members of the House January 6th Committee to be prosecuted for “treason.” In June, he shared a post that declared Cheney “GUILTY OF TREASON” and called for “televised military tribunals.” He also has a habit, according to his own former Attorney General William Barr, of calling for his opponents to be executed (even if Barr, who is currently back on the Trump Train, is quick to add that he doubts his ex-boss “would have actually carried it out”).


Another reason is that Trump’s description of what should happen to Cheney sounds a lot more like a firing squad than modern combat involving the United States military. As John Bolton put it on CNN, “It would be a pretty unusual situation in the field for one lone American soldier suddenly to be confronted by nine enemy soldiers pointing their rifles at her head.”

Maybe Trump got carried away, and his “send the chicken hawk to war” riff escalated into a firing-squad revenge fantasy. (It’s that Trumpian weave, dontcha know.) Or maybe it’s only a brutal-death-in-combat revenge fantasy. Either way, as Bolton pointed out, “In his mind, this violent image is very real.” That’s the important part here: Having repeatedly called for Cheney to face a military tribunal for trying to hold him accountable for the January 6th insurrection, Trump has now visualized, in fairly graphic terms, a situation in which she has nine rifles aimed at her face. And he has followed up on this by saying that Cheney “kills people.”


Let’s grant that it’s hyperbolic to say that Trump was calling for Cheney to be executed. But to claim that he simply “condemned sending Americans into combat” (Carrie Sheffield of the hilariously misnamed, pro-Trump Independent Women’s Voice), or to paraphrase his comments as “these pro-war people wouldn’t be talking such a big game if they were on the front lines” (anti-anti-Trump Free Press columnist Kat Rosenfield), is disingenuous. Whether this point is valid or not, people normally manage to make it without fantasizing about direct and grotesque violence against the “pro-war people.” And I know pointing out double standards is old hat, but imagine the reaction if these comments about Liz Cheney had come, say, from Barack Obama in 2015.

What’s more, the full context of the quote undermines the notion that Trump was making the point Sheffield and Rosenfield grant him. He wasn’t discussing foreign policy or American wars; he was responding to Carlson’s question about how he felt when he saw “Dick Cheney’s repulsive little daughter” campaigning against him with Kamala Harris.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/trump-liz-cheney-military-tribunal/index.html

 

[Bamaro]

I love the Lincoln Project, but this one goes too far for me. I didn’t take Trump to mean Liz Cheney should be executed, rather she is a war hawk who should have to experience battle before she sends our young men off to war. If Trump had said the same thing about Tammy Duckworth, that would be different.

He does this sort of thing so often, statements that can be taken two ways, that I think he knows what he's doing.

 

[Go Bama]

I have two main counterpoints:

1. He is still behaving irresponsibly with the violent imagery (which did not take place in a vacuum, but is a pattern of behavior involving multiple people)

2. I think that pattern of behavior has to be taken into account.

Trump Fantasized About Liz Cheney’s Violent Death. The Rest Is Trivial.

The firing squad vs. combat debate misses the ambiguity—and the importance—of the former president’s remarks.

www.thebulwark.com

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/trump-liz-cheney-military-tribunal/index.html

Yeah, no doubt he’s unhinged and angry. Still, The Lincoln Project filled in some blanks that weren’t there.

Besides, we belong to the same tribe, so you have to believe everything I believe.

 

[UAH]

I love the Lincoln Project, but this one goes too far for me. I didn’t take Trump to mean Liz Cheney should be executed, rather she is a war hawk who should have to experience battle before she sends our young men off to war. If Trump had said the same thing about Tammy Duckworth, that would be different.

To me the question is when we begin to speak of guns being pointed at someone who doesn't agree with us, how far down the road are we from suspending Habeas Corpus and jailing our opponents. When Stephen Miller is on the stage in New York talking about all of our problems being wiped away with a stroke of his arm how far away are prison camps for migrant families. The world has seen this act a number of times before only a generation ago.

 

[92tide]

To me the question is when we begin to speak of guns being pointed at someone who doesn't agree with us, how far down the road are we from suspending Habeas Corpus and jailing our opponents. When Stephen Miller is on the stage in New York talking about all of our problems being wiped away with a stroke of his arm how far away are prison camps for migrant families. The world has seen this act a number of times before only a generation ago.

not to mention the nonstop dehumanizing, eliminationist language being used to talk about immigrants and lgbtq+ folks (especially trans folk)

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Trump Says He’ll Put Herschel Walker In Charge Of Missile Shield--After Walker Calls Him ‘Donald Trump Jr.’

 

[Bazza]

I'd almost forgotten this....

 

[Bazza]

She had already served 16 years...of a LIFE sentence!

Originally sentenced to life on prison for drug trafficking, Tanesha Bannister of Columbia, S.C. got out in May 2019 after serving 16 years. She gave President Trump credit for signing the First Step Act that got her out early.

 

[Bazza]

 

[Bazza]

Spoken like a true dictator......

 

[92tide]

just like homer stokes, servant to the little man

 

[Go Bama]

For some reason, I cannot view the videos you post anymore. I get a message asking me to sign in to prove that I am not a bot. However, there is no way to sign in. Puzzling.

 

[Go Bama]

Spoken like a true dictator......

Finally got to see the video.

Do you realize these people he said defiled America and they will pay are the same people he is now praising as patriots and saying he will pardon?

How is this video is anything other than harmful to your candidate?