24/7 Article on NIL amounts and recruiting

[TheRealPokeChop]

Constantly see questions about how NIL works with revruiting. This is a really good article 24/7 did talking to recruits about it and getting a look at the actual numbers vs what gets thrown around. Give it a read.

How real is NIL? Anonymous recruits in college football's 2024 class dish on collectives, contracts and more

Fifteen four- and five-star recruits disclosed to 247Sports either exactly what they’ll receive or around what they’ll earn at their school of choice. The values run the gamut from a few thousand a month to around a million a year.

247sports.com

 

[TiderJack]

Thanks for posting. From what we have heard, it sounds like one of those recruits was a Bama pledge. The recruit that said he was not offered anything and had to earn it once he got on campus. I think that proves that schools are offering NIL to get players to sign.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

So there is zero reason to focus on the academics, you know, the academics that they supposedly have to do well enough to stay on the team. This is beyond laughable, in a bad way.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

I'm wondering how these hired guns will affect a school's APR ? They really have no incentive to go to class...

 

[twofbyc]

Thanks for posting. From what we have heard, it sounds like one of those recruits was a Bama pledge. The recruit that said he was not offered anything and had to earn it once he got on campus. I think that proves that schools are offering NIL to get players to sign.

Yeah, article pretty much said it’s pay to play - deal is void when you transfer. If it wasn’t that NIL money would follow the player.
And I don’t care who says what - anyone paying a player a mil before they even play? They did say some have performance clauses, but no 17-18 year old is worth a mil a year. It’s beyond ludicrous.

 

[B1GTide]

Between this and the Dartmouth ruling, I would say that the next step will be collective bargaining and the formation of a union. States that do not allow it will be forced to change their laws or be left out. Amateur status will no longer stand up under scrutiny. College athletics will no longer be protected by antitrust laws.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Between this and the Dartmouth ruling, I would say that the next step will be collective bargaining and the formation of a union. States that do not allow it will be forced to change their laws or be left out. Amateur status will no longer stand up under scrutiny. College athletics will no longer be protected by antitrust laws.

And college "kids" AKA college athletes will get what they and others have wanted, and that's to be treated like the adults, AKA coaches, administrators, etc. They're about to get a spot at the adult table of life, I hope they like it as much as they thought they would...

 

[Power Eye]

And college "kids" AKA college athletes will get what they and others have wanted, and that's to be treated like the adults, AKA coaches, administrators, etc. They're about to get a spot at the adult table of life, I hope they like it as much as they thought they would...

They aren't going to like it as well as what they have now, but they will like it better than pre-NIL, and honestly, that's probably the best that can be salvaged from this mess.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Between this and the Dartmouth ruling, I would say that the next step will be collective bargaining and the formation of a union. States that do not allow it will be forced to change their laws or be left out. Amateur status will no longer stand up under scrutiny. College athletics will no longer be protected by antitrust laws.

The draft will happen sooner than many think. It's the only way to keep NIL from being an inducement.

This is the end of CFB as we know it.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

They aren't going to like it as well as what they have now, but they will like it better than pre-NIL, and honestly, that's probably the best that can be salvaged from this mess.

Initially, I'm sure, but as the newness wears off and the people/businesses who are funding these deals start to tighten the reigns and verbiage of the contracts, they may not like as much as they initially did.

 

[Tideflyer]

So there is zero reason to focus on the academics, you know, the academics that they supposedly have to do well enough to stay on the team. This is beyond laughable, in a bad way.

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I posted sometime back questions about academic eligibility, or the lack thereof, and that I couldn`t remember the last time I noticed that a player had been declared " academically ineligible. " The term " student athlete " simply needs to go away IMHO.

 

[TheRealPokeChop]

Between this and the Dartmouth ruling, I would say that the next step will be collective bargaining and the formation of a union. States that do not allow it will be forced to change their laws or be left out. Amateur status will no longer stand up under scrutiny. College athletics will no longer be protected by antitrust laws.

I think its the best model forward.
Schools with the money to do it should form their own league probably only 40ish programs. And function as a demi pro league with education requirements. Put players on contracts and shut down tampering issues and make pay rates standard across the league to keep some parity.

Others may can try and stay in the current model or look similar to fcs.

 

[BamaNation]

I guess the question I ask is if we're going the union, contract, pay for play (signing, staying, bonuses, etc), etc etc etc. .... WHAT PURPOSE does college football even serve anymore? If there is no purpose other than to win, then let's let guys who are talented enough go on to "the league". Make football be more like how college baseball is handled (i.e. drafts/signing/etc).

The differentiator for me is that previously most guys signed with a school because they wanted to represent the school, their families, and the people associated with school (alums, fans, professors, fellow students.). This is no longer the case at all (and I'm specifically looking at you Caleb Downs and others who could have been all-time legends here, but now you're just another nameless guy who wore crimson.). It's pay me what I want or I'm taking my toys and going somewhere else.

It's a shame that because of inaction and incompetence of NCAA pointy headed nincompoops over the last 30 years that we are where we are. it's also sad that courts have upheld the chaos as proper. It's pathetic that legislative action has not corralled this so that there is a reasonable - and clearly understood - structure under which college football can operate. There really needs to be something akin to the MLB antitrust exemption for this to work. In the current legislative climate this would never happen even if everyone agreed b/c no matter which side had a proposal the other side would oppose it - even if they had the same core ideas.

So, here we are, holding on to the scant hope that something will be done.

Given the above, I'm all for going scorched earth and us doing what it takes to dominate in the current environment until changes are made. At which point, we'll continue to dominate under any new structure. But in no case will any of my own money go to NIL donations, purchases, etc. It's like giving meth to the meth addict hoping it helps him overcome his addiction.

Even as the article points out, these 18 yr olds understand that the huge money is corruptive. It's making them do things they otherwise wouldn't do.

 

[TIDE24]

I understand the argument about players being compensated (some type of revenue sharing). Schools are selling their jerseys, etc. but this is something completely different.

Joe blow fan is being asked to donate $18/month (or whatever) to a collective to fund NIL to give money to players who in many cases are making more money going to school than most of these fans make. This on top of a free education and room and board. This is also in addition to the $2k plus in order to buy season tickets.

I give $1,000 donation to TIDE PRIDE just to have the "privilege" to buy season tickets. Now I am supposed to fund a collective with a monthly donation too, so we can give players cash and in many case make more than me while in school. Not going to do it.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I understand the argument about players being compensated (some type of revenue sharing). Schools are selling their jerseys, etc. but this is something completely different.

Joe blow fan is being asked to donate $18/month (or whatever) to a collective to fund NIL to give money to players who in many cases are making more money going to school than most of these fans make. This on top of a free education and room and board. This is also in addition to the $2k plus in order to buy season tickets.

I give $1,000 donation to TIDE PRIDE just to have the "privilege" to buy season tickets. Now I am supposed to fund a collective with a monthly donation too, so we can give players cash and in many case make more than me while in school. Not going to do it.

At the end of the money tree (at the roots) are the fans. Ultimately fans interest drives all revenue from all facets. Using an extreme example to prove my point, if starting in 2024, 85% of fans who normally attend, watch, and/or buy merchandise that goes into the revenue bucket that is college football, stopped, things would change. If stadiums started looking like this and in other revenue streams of CFB, you'd see immediate change. But I doubt that happens.

 

[TiderJack]

I guess the question I ask is if we're going the union, contract, pay for play (signing, staying, bonuses, etc), etc etc etc. .... WHAT PURPOSE does college football even serve anymore? If there is no purpose other than to win, then let's let guys who are talented enough go on to "the league". Make football be more like how college baseball is handled (i.e. drafts/signing/etc).

Agreed. Or they need to take the G League NBA model and become a developmental league. You don't need to go to college and take classes anymore. We won't be known as the Crimson Tide anymore but something like Alabama Lightning and play at a stadium in Bham or Mobile.

Parents will be mad when their sons don't make the NFL and have no degree to fall back on but this seems to be what they want. It has become ridiculous.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Agreed. Or they need to take the G League NBA model and become a developmental league. You don't need to go to college and take classes anymore. We won't be known as the Crimson Tide anymore but something like Alabama Lightning and play at a stadium in Bham or Mobile.

Parents will be mad when their sons don't make the NFL and have no degree to fall back on but this seems to be what they want. It has become ridiculous.

just wait until the first lawsuit then we will have finally killed the sport

 

[CB4]

I think the thing which stands out to me is these players clearly state their NIL compensation is tied to playing and performance. The more/better you play, the more lucrative the NIL deal will pay. However, if look at the generally agreed upon guidelines for NIL across college athletics is 1) NIL can’t be tied to attendance or as an inducement to sign with or attend a certain school and 2) NIL can’t be tied to playing time or performance at a university.

Yet it is clearly being stated by these recruits 1) NIL is being used as a quid pro quo for signing with a particular university, albeit not directly offered by the university or university personnel and 2) NIL earning potential is being tied to playing time and performance of the student athlete at the respective university.

So the transfer portal churns every time it opens because players want to get to a place where they are playing early and often in order maximize NIL earnings. Sitting as freshman or sophomore, developing in a program is not putting NIL dollars in their pocket.

 

[Coach25]

I guess the question I ask is if we're going the union, contract, pay for play (signing, staying, bonuses, etc), etc etc etc. .... WHAT PURPOSE does college football even serve anymore? If there is no purpose other than to win, then let's let guys who are talented enough go on to "the league". Make football be more like how college baseball is handled (i.e. drafts/signing/etc).

The differentiator for me is that previously most guys signed with a school because they wanted to represent the school, their families, and the people associated with school (alums, fans, professors, fellow students.). This is no longer the case at all (and I'm specifically looking at you Caleb Downs and others who could have been all-time legends here, but now you're just another nameless guy who wore crimson.). It's pay me what I want or I'm taking my toys and going somewhere else.

It's a shame that because of inaction and incompetence of NCAA pointy headed nincompoops over the last 30 years that we are where we are. it's also sad that courts have upheld the chaos as proper. It's pathetic that legislative action has not corralled this so that there is a reasonable - and clearly understood - structure under which college football can operate. There really needs to be something akin to the MLB antitrust exemption for this to work. In the current legislative climate this would never happen even if everyone agreed b/c no matter which side had a proposal the other side would oppose it - even if they had the same core ideas.

So, here we are, holding on to the scant hope that something will be done.

Given the above, I'm all for going scorched earth and us doing what it takes to dominate in the current environment until changes are made. At which point, we'll continue to dominate under any new structure. But in no case will any of my own money go to NIL donations, purchases, etc. It's like giving meth to the meth addict hoping it helps him overcome his addiction.

Even as the article points out, these 18 yr olds understand that the huge money is corruptive. It's making them do things they otherwise wouldn't do.

This is a little of what I am thinking it is coming to, the NFL has used colleges as basically a developmental league without paying for anything for years. This is why they will not allow freshmen to enter the draft, they want players to go through the “developmental league” of college at no expense of the NFL.

Players may find out unionizing and becoming employees of the university isn’t all glitz and glamour. What do they want teams to do? “Hire” players on a 4 year contract? Because in more reality, they will hire on a year to year basis. Because it will be easier to move on from players they no longer want. If this happens and you better not struggle because you might not be “rehired” next season.

 

[Coach25]

I think the thing which stands out to me is these players clearly state their NIL compensation is tied to playing and performance. The more/better you play, the more lucrative the NIL deal will pay. However, if look at the generally agreed upon guidelines for NIL across college athletics is 1) NIL can’t be tied to attendance or as an inducement to sign with or attend a certain school and 2) NIL can’t be tied to playing time or performance at a university.

Yet it is clearly being stated by these recruits 1) NIL is being used as a quid pro quo for signing with a particular university, albeit not directly offered by the university or university personnel and 2) NIL earning potential is being tied to playing time and performance of the student athlete at the respective university.

So the transfer portal churns every time it opens because players want to get to a place where they are playing early and often in order maximize NIL earnings. Sitting as freshman or sophomore, developing in a program is not putting NIL dollars in their pocket.

Yep exactly and if you are going to have a pay for play scheme then you might as well just have a minor league football developmental league. Let the ones who want to go make money by entering a NFL draft out of high school go do their thing. NFL teams could decide to leave them on the developmental team or bring up to the big league whenever. Some players might make a good living in the developmental league and never make it to the pros. Good for them if they do.

Let the other players who don’t want the NIL type pay for play… play for your colleges teams to get a free education, work hard, get some spending money, free housing, free meals, and if you have any money paid to a player then it’s the same for everyone on the team, develop enough to get drafted to the NFL.

I know it won’t happen because of a few different things but that’s basically what the NIL is turning college football in to, Free agency.

1) NFL doesn’t want to have to invest any money on developing these players when the NCAA does it for them for free.
2) Colleges and others with the hand in the cookie jar make too much off of “student” athletes. They don’t want them being drafted out of high school bypassing their campuses.

All this has really ruined the team aspect of sports. 20 or 30 years ago you would have had to pull players off the field to keep them from playing in any game the team was playing. Now it’s… if we’re not in the playoff then I’m opting out because my teammates needs mean nothing to me and I have to look out for “My” future. Sports prepared us for the real world of working as a team and being someone your team could count on.