4th and goal decision
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Re: You make the call....
He should have went for it. No doubt about it.
You show NO confidence in your offense when you kick in this situation.
This makes two times in the last 4 years we have lost to Tennessee because we didn't go for it on fourth down when we had the momemtum.
Some of you are nuts, you play to win, you don't kick field goals from inside the 3 when you are an underdog playing away in a hostile environment.
He should have went for it. No doubt about it.
You show NO confidence in your offense when you kick in this situation.
This makes two times in the last 4 years we have lost to Tennessee because we didn't go for it on fourth down when we had the momemtum.
Some of you are nuts, you play to win, you don't kick field goals from inside the 3 when you are an underdog playing away in a hostile environment.
Re: You make the call....
I was going ballistic when the FG team went out on to the field. I wanted us to go for the TD. FGs were not going to win this game. After Castille made the interception, a TD was a must.
In that situation it is all about heart and pride. Who wants it the most? If we can't score a TD in that situation, we don't deserve to win the game IMHO.
I was going ballistic when the FG team went out on to the field. I wanted us to go for the TD. FGs were not going to win this game. After Castille made the interception, a TD was a must.
In that situation it is all about heart and pride. Who wants it the most? If we can't score a TD in that situation, we don't deserve to win the game IMHO.
Re: You make the call....
I would have gone for it. Football is a lot like boxing...you trade punches and at the end someone is either flat knocked out or has been hit more often with harder punches. I feel like we're boxing with a feather duster instead of fists quite often. Punch it in before the half, get the crowd even more out of it, deflate UT, etc. Also, the ball was a lot closer to the 1 than to the 2. My seats were about 20 yards away from where the ball was spotted.
Also, I wouldn't have punted the ball with us down with 2:00 left in the game to prevent a loss from getting more "ugly". Big whoop, UT might have scored another touchdown if we didn't make it. 3 point loss or 10 point loss...hell, they still wouldn't have covered the spread. With our offense, you don't put in a shaky punter and expect to use all 3 timeouts, get the ball back, and then drive 80(+) yards to win or 60(+) for a legitimate field goal try.
At that point I felt it necessary to leave my section and lurk in the tunnel. Didn't want my outbursts to get any worse.
I would have gone for it. Football is a lot like boxing...you trade punches and at the end someone is either flat knocked out or has been hit more often with harder punches. I feel like we're boxing with a feather duster instead of fists quite often. Punch it in before the half, get the crowd even more out of it, deflate UT, etc. Also, the ball was a lot closer to the 1 than to the 2. My seats were about 20 yards away from where the ball was spotted.
Also, I wouldn't have punted the ball with us down with 2:00 left in the game to prevent a loss from getting more "ugly". Big whoop, UT might have scored another touchdown if we didn't make it. 3 point loss or 10 point loss...hell, they still wouldn't have covered the spread. With our offense, you don't put in a shaky punter and expect to use all 3 timeouts, get the ball back, and then drive 80(+) yards to win or 60(+) for a legitimate field goal try.
At that point I felt it necessary to leave my section and lurk in the tunnel. Didn't want my outbursts to get any worse.
Re: You make the call....
Look... I'm not going to get into a long argument about what he should/should not have done. Even if you believe that we should have gone for it, it DOES matter who takes the lead/momentum into halftime... if you don't agree with that statement, then you've don't understand the dynamics of football. Now, would it have been better to go into halftime with a 7-point lead versus what we had? Yes... I certainly agree with that point. However, if you check our percentages this year on 4th down and consider how our offense was doing yesterday, I imagine that's what Shula was using as a base for his decision.
Re: You make the call....
The "jumbo package" averaged 0.7 yards per play in the game. There was probably a reason that Shula felt the FG was the only chance of getting points in that situation, unfortunately. BOTH the defenses were killing the offenses in the first half so any points were huge.
On BAMA's only touchdown drive, I think Shula understood that BAMA needs some creativity to get into the endzone and the reverse was huge. Hopefully we see a little more of that as the season progresses.
I wish Jimmy Johns was a little more involved with the offense in this game. He seemed to be unstoppable against Tennessee.
The "jumbo package" averaged 0.7 yards per play in the game. There was probably a reason that Shula felt the FG was the only chance of getting points in that situation, unfortunately. BOTH the defenses were killing the offenses in the first half so any points were huge.
On BAMA's only touchdown drive, I think Shula understood that BAMA needs some creativity to get into the endzone and the reverse was huge. Hopefully we see a little more of that as the season progresses.
I wish Jimmy Johns was a little more involved with the offense in this game. He seemed to be unstoppable against Tennessee.
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I was thinking something very different...
During the timeout...I began to think about Shula's history in these types of situations. In the few years that he has been coach, I have never seen Alabama run a fake field goal/punt, etc. (in an important ballgame).
I would have liked to see something like that...it would have caught Tenn. completely by surprise.
Just my thoughts.
I was thinking something very different...
During the timeout...I began to think about Shula's history in these types of situations. In the few years that he has been coach, I have never seen Alabama run a fake field goal/punt, etc. (in an important ballgame).
I would have liked to see something like that...it would have caught Tenn. completely by surprise.
Just my thoughts.
I definitely wanted the FG
The key factor here wasn't the yardage, it was the time on the clock. It is a good strategy to go for the TD if there is enough time to get the ball back in good field position should the team not make the TD; there is a reasonable chance of getting at least 3 points on the next possesion.
Going for 3 in this situation was the correct play for a number of reasons besides sound football strategy. This was a game that came down to a couple of plays being made or not made and a couple of penalties be called/not called. 3 points was worth a ton in this game and there was not enough time left in the 1st half to risk throwing these away.
The key factor here wasn't the yardage, it was the time on the clock. It is a good strategy to go for the TD if there is enough time to get the ball back in good field position should the team not make the TD; there is a reasonable chance of getting at least 3 points on the next possesion.
Going for 3 in this situation was the correct play for a number of reasons besides sound football strategy. This was a game that came down to a couple of plays being made or not made and a couple of penalties be called/not called. 3 points was worth a ton in this game and there was not enough time left in the 1st half to risk throwing these away.
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I don't see how one can say that going for 3 was right. How many on here thought that Tennessee would not make a touchdown before the end of the day. If we had gone for three and not made it we would have gotten beat 6 points instead of 3. Is it much better to get beat 3 points than it is 6.
I don't see how one can say that going for 3 was right. How many on here thought that Tennessee would not make a touchdown before the end of the day. If we had gone for three and not made it we would have gotten beat 6 points instead of 3. Is it much better to get beat 3 points than it is 6.
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If we had an offense, I'd say go for it. But yesterday proved once again that we don't. FG was the right call in that situation. You take the points you can get, since it was obvious we weren't going to be in scoring position very often yesterday.
The way our offense and their defense were playing, I'd say it was highly probable that we wouldn't have gotten the TD. I'm sure Shula was thinking the same thing. And with the 3-3 score so close to halftime, it sure didn't look like it was going to be a high-scoring affair. Just look to last year where neither team scored a TD.
If we had an offense, I'd say go for it. But yesterday proved once again that we don't. FG was the right call in that situation. You take the points you can get, since it was obvious we weren't going to be in scoring position very often yesterday.
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How many on here thought Bama would score only 7 points in the 2nd half? How many thought UT would score 13 in the 2nd half?:conf2:
How many on here thought Bama would score only 7 points in the 2nd half? How many thought UT would score 13 in the 2nd half?:conf2:
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I was on the fence when it was live. Back & forth.
But ut was averaging 35 points per game going into the game. Kicking it put a load on the defense, but the call to kick should open some eyes about how the running game is "progressing."
4th and goal on the one at the end of the half. Tied game. We better try for a field goal.
Let's hope we can develop a running game that gives the coach a tad of confidence.
I was on the fence when it was live. Back & forth.
But ut was averaging 35 points per game going into the game. Kicking it put a load on the defense, but the call to kick should open some eyes about how the running game is "progressing."
4th and goal on the one at the end of the half. Tied game. We better try for a field goal.
Let's hope we can develop a running game that gives the coach a tad of confidence.
Re: You make the call....(4th and goal)
conservative as it may seem, it was the right call. and not because it was 4th and over 1 yard. it's because one of the oldest rules in football is to always convert turnovers into points...no matter how they come.
trade a td for a fg? sure, if it's guaranteed. but our offense was anything but guaranteed yesterday. trade a 3 point lead at the half for getting stuffed at the 1, 0 points, and seeding momentum to the home team who's receiving the ball to start the next half? that's a disaster.
my biggest concern about yesterday is that it confirms our pattern of playing smashmouth for 3.5 quarters only to fade and lose in the waning moments of big games.
although we still feel the effects of the sanctions, i don't think games like yesterday can be explained that way anymore. we were toe to toe with them and on top most of the day. we should have won the game. just like arkansas. (i might be a minority, but i don't think we played well enough or deserved to win the florida game. i think we just got beat by a better team).
the offense drives me nuts. we clearly have the ability to move the ball, but we're SO inconsistent and can't get it done late in the game against quality opponents. shula really needs to reevaluate the offensive system in the off season. in know it's his offense, but his offense is pretty mediocre and needs change.
whatever. beat fiu and msu, take 7-3 into baton rouge and steal a win. we canbeat lsu and auburn. whether we will is another matter. we could salvage the year with a win over one or the other. 8 wins is still a possibility, but we have to be able to play wire to wire.
conservative as it may seem, it was the right call. and not because it was 4th and over 1 yard. it's because one of the oldest rules in football is to always convert turnovers into points...no matter how they come.
trade a td for a fg? sure, if it's guaranteed. but our offense was anything but guaranteed yesterday. trade a 3 point lead at the half for getting stuffed at the 1, 0 points, and seeding momentum to the home team who's receiving the ball to start the next half? that's a disaster.
my biggest concern about yesterday is that it confirms our pattern of playing smashmouth for 3.5 quarters only to fade and lose in the waning moments of big games.
although we still feel the effects of the sanctions, i don't think games like yesterday can be explained that way anymore. we were toe to toe with them and on top most of the day. we should have won the game. just like arkansas. (i might be a minority, but i don't think we played well enough or deserved to win the florida game. i think we just got beat by a better team).
the offense drives me nuts. we clearly have the ability to move the ball, but we're SO inconsistent and can't get it done late in the game against quality opponents. shula really needs to reevaluate the offensive system in the off season. in know it's his offense, but his offense is pretty mediocre and needs change.
whatever. beat fiu and msu, take 7-3 into baton rouge and steal a win. we canbeat lsu and auburn. whether we will is another matter. we could salvage the year with a win over one or the other. 8 wins is still a possibility, but we have to be able to play wire to wire.
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the way I saw it our defense was bending but not breaking and I thought that 3 points were going to be pretty useless in trying to win the game....I did not know how many points each team would score but I knew we would lose the game if it stayed really close cause our O could not move the ball and JPW was fighting for his life in the pocket
the way I saw it our defense was bending but not breaking and I thought that 3 points were going to be pretty useless in trying to win the game....I did not know how many points each team would score but I knew we would lose the game if it stayed really close cause our O could not move the ball and JPW was fighting for his life in the pocket
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Re: You make the call....(4th and goal)
That is always a tough call to make. Going for the FG was probably the smart thing to do most cases. However, I feel when you are a 2 TD underdog on the road against the team with the best offense in the SEC, I say you gotta go for it. There was more to lose by not going for the TD IMO. Win or lose there would have been less critism of CMS today had he gone for it.
BTW, although he had a terrible day, Darby showed tremendous effort to get us in the position to even be having this discussion. Whatever the problem with Darby not running well is, I'm pretty confident that it's not lack of effort on his part.
That is always a tough call to make. Going for the FG was probably the smart thing to do most cases. However, I feel when you are a 2 TD underdog on the road against the team with the best offense in the SEC, I say you gotta go for it. There was more to lose by not going for the TD IMO. Win or lose there would have been less critism of CMS today had he gone for it.
BTW, although he had a terrible day, Darby showed tremendous effort to get us in the position to even be having this discussion. Whatever the problem with Darby not running well is, I'm pretty confident that it's not lack of effort on his part.
Re: You make the call....(4th and goal)
I was briefly on the fence at the moment of decision myself....except....
If I had seen more out of our run blocking overall this year (Jumbo package or not*) I may have leaned more toward six. (I feel that run blocking has taken a half-step in the wrong direction, pass-protection a half-step toward the good).
Given that, I would have had to side with the percentages on that one, and forget about the 'what-ifs'.
Good call.
P.S.
*I don't think KD & Co. are so much having a bad year, as much as the OL
aren't exactly paving the road for them.
I was briefly on the fence at the moment of decision myself....except....
If I had seen more out of our run blocking overall this year (Jumbo package or not*) I may have leaned more toward six. (I feel that run blocking has taken a half-step in the wrong direction, pass-protection a half-step toward the good).
Given that, I would have had to side with the percentages on that one, and forget about the 'what-ifs'.
Good call.
P.S.
*I don't think KD & Co. are so much having a bad year, as much as the OL
aren't exactly paving the road for them.
Re: You make the call....(4th and goal)
I would show my offense I have confidence in them and go for it. If you dont make it, at least UT is severly pinned back.
I would show my offense I have confidence in them and go for it. If you dont make it, at least UT is severly pinned back.
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