5,300 Wells Fargo employees fired for creating over 2 million phony accounts

crimsonaudio

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ZERO chance WF was unaware of this.

The scope of the scandal is shocking. An analysis conducted by a consulting firm hired by Wells Fargo concluded that bank employees opened up over 1.5 million deposit accounts that may not have been authorized, according to the CFPB.

The way it worked was that employees moved funds from customers' existing accounts into newly-created accounts without their knowledge or consent, regulators say. The CFPB described this practice as "widespread" and led to customers being charged for insufficient funds or overdraft fees -- because the money was not in their original accounts.

Additionally, Wells Fargo employees also submitted applications for 565,443 credit card accounts without their knowledge or consent, the CFPB said the analysis found. Many customers who had unauthorized credit cards opened in their names were hit by annual fees, interest charges and other fees.

The CFPB said Wells Fargo will pay "full restitutions to all victims."
http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/08/investing/wells-fargo-created-phony-accounts-bank-fees/index.html
 

Aledinho

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i am guessing Wells Fargo put pressure on tellers to open up a certain number of accounts per week/month and the tellers responded by taking short cuts...
 

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5300 employees just happened to come up with the same scheme to boost their numbers and nobody in management noticed? Right.

And the $5 million customer refund will come out to about $3 per customer.
 

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Let me guess ! There is a bonus for signing up new accounts an additional bonuses for new credit card accounts.

Crime pays my friends---until you are caught. Government, banks, and insurance companies always bail out the wrong doers with the general public stuck with the bill.

The rest of us poor schmucks would go to the gray bar motel for an extended period of time.
 

64met

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WOW! As someone who not only has my IRA but my checking/savings plus mortage with WF this is a problem. Ty, CA for sharing.
 

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Let me guess ! There is a bonus for signing up new accounts an additional bonuses for new credit card accounts....
I'll bet a dinner at Shula's that you're right. Either bonuses or threat of termination if production didn't reach 'X' number of accounts of this or that description.

These accounts were almost certainly small. Otherwise they would have been noticed by the defrauded consumers long ago. The ironic thing there is they had to be so small that the cost of setup and maintenance would have made them unprofitable. So the WF shareholders were victims along with the account "owners."

Before anybody congratulates themselves for not owning stock in WF, check the mutual funds in your IRAs and/or 401k. There's a good chance you own shares of a mutual fund that in turn owns shares of WF. If you own an S&P index fund, there's a 100% chance you do.

If there were 5,300 people fired over this, it's the tip of the iceberg. And they've known about it for a while.

Anybody who has ever dealt with a large corporate HR department can tell you that they're exceedingly cautious on firing one, let alone a mass firing like this. To pull the trigger on a mass termination, there would have been endless discussion, including consultation with untold attorneys billing untold hours. All that doesn't happen quickly.

My guess is that this has been in the works for a minimum of six months, probably dealing with an inordinate level of year-lend bonuses paid based on ostensible 12/31/15 performance. Maybe farther back than that.

If they fired 5,300 for cause, there were almost certainly at least that many who were strongly suspected, but skated for whatever reason.

So there were several things coming together here:

1. The WF incentive plan didn't incent the right thing -- profitability. It incented the production of unprofitable widgets.

2. The WF incentive plan didn't contain governance to prevent this sort of thing.

3. With a minimum of 5,300 offenders, this was an ingrained part of the Wells corporate culture.

4. Crimsonaudio is right -- when a practice is this widespread, there's no way in 10,000 hells executive management didn't know.

5. I'll bet another dinner at Shula's that that same executive management got six-figure (maybe seven!) bonuses for achieving the account goals...point being, I'll be shocked if they didn't have a godamighty monetary incentive to turn a willfully ignorant blind eye.

6. This is far from over:
6A. Expect their accountant, their regulators, and the IRS to be well and truly embarrassed and angry. They will be all up in in Wells' stuff for years. They're going to make a combo barium enema / colonoscopy look and feel like a friendly nod between buddies passing in the hallway.

6B. Lawyers are already queuing up to file suits...class action suits on the part of the account "owners". More class action suits on the part of the shareholders. Individual suits by individual employees alleging imporoper termination.

6C. Fines from the Feds will pale in comparison to the cost of internal investigations, defense of lawsuits and settlement of lawsuits. All in, this will cost them a half-billion if it costs them a dime.

6D. Depositions on instruction from and conduct by management will be highly instructive if they ever make it into the public record.

Buy lots of popcorn. This is gonna be a long movie, and it's just starting.
 
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i am guessing Wells Fargo put pressure on tellers to open up a certain number of accounts per week/month and the tellers responded by taking short cuts...
Absolutely. Financial institutions putting sales quota pressure at all levels including management. Surprised this wasn't caught sooner by the regulators. Once again it is about "the money". BTW it isn't just WF. As 4Q said, the scorecard did not incent the right thing.
 
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No way I take that bet ! All your points are spot on. There is no way 5300 plus people were doing this without upper mgmt underhanded approval. WF stock has been on a tear for years (extreme growth) it should take a big hit now for falsifying numbers . Warren Buffet will be able to take the loss off his taxes while lecturing us that people like himself do not pay their fair share.
 

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We need to get back to small local banks and bust these mega-corporate banks.
Yes to an extent, but this practice has filtered down to some "small local or community banks" as well. Certainly no where near what the big banks have done, but any incentive plan that is production driven is potentially fraught with dishonesty to some extent. Been there, seen that.
 
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