This will delve both into HISTORY as well as into THEORY.
Years ago, I made it one of my missions in (sports) life to be informed on this subject because I noticed what seemed to be an unusually large number of folks authoring online pieces (blogs maybe in some cases) that trashed Alabama's national championships and necessarily "reduced" what they deemed to be "legitimate championships." I also noticed a tendency of fanbases to recite "facts" almost as mantras to make their cases.
Oklahoma fans unanimously only wanted to count national championships since 1936, at least when that meant they had the most.
Auburn fans had a near consensus (most of them prior to 2010) that "until there's a playoff, there's no such thing as a national champion" (YES, there were exceptions). An easy way to reduce your main rival's demonstrated on-the-field accomplishments.
Here's an argument I am NOT willing to have with anyone - the NUMBER of Alabama (or for that matter any team) national championships. And my reasoning has as much to do with the insane "logic" of some ALABAMA fans as it does the opposition. Alabama has more CLAIMS to national titles than they actually do "titles recognized" as do most schools. So let me lay the groundwork for what follows here, and we'll touch on some problems. What's truly amazing is that in almost every single case, these problems existed long before Alabama's controversial 1964 AP title led to a post-bowl title in 1965, a controversial UPI title in 1973 led to including bowls in the final tally, a series of split national championships (1990, 1991) led to the formation of the Bowl Coalition and so forth right up to the formation of the CFP thanks to Alabama's rematch with LSU. This last is in blue because it is utter nonsense, and nobody needs to be repeating it.
So let's admit a few things up front that will color the discussion as I proceed.
1) I only consider AP titles since 1936, UP/UPI titles since 1950, BCS titles, and CFP titles to be legitimate national titles.
Now this is for the purpose of the analysis only. Yeah, you can go ahead and convince yourself, "But I read in the newspaper that Alabama beating Washington in 1926 won the national championship." I'm sure you did. I'm also sure you don't even know what those words actually mean if you're using that argument because back in that day the winner of the Rose Bowl was often referred to as "the mythical national champion." That's because at that time there was only one bowl game, the Rose Bowl (the Sun Bowl didn't come along for another nine years and yes - it's the second-oldest still existing bowl), and the winner almost always had an unbeaten or nearly so record, and the Rose Bowl thus had prestige.
But it was no more AT THE TIME considered a "national championship" than the newspapers who would say when a baseball player had crossed a certain historical threshold in either a season or career that "the player entered the hall of fame." You can find articles saying this prior to the very notion of a Baseball Hall of Fame. Just because someone used a word in that time doesn't mean that it means what it does today.
2) I start with 1936 because you have to start SOMEWHERE - and what actual debate even existed prior to then?
It's not that I think "well nothing before 1936 is important" because that's not true. After all, Alabama has played football since 1892 and the SEC was formed in 1933, so that's important. But when you look at those lists of national championships for Ivy League schools early in the history of college football, those were in some cases recognized ALMOST A FULL CENTURY after the fact. The Billingsley Report that is the source of many of those titles was started by AN EIGHTEEN-YEAR OLD boy named Richard Billingsley in 1969 to retroactively select national champions. I mean no disrespect to Mr. Billingsley, whom I have zero doubt I could have a great conversation with regarding football. But really? I have a very difficult time wrapping my mind around the notion of claiming titles that the very players who supposedly earned them didn't even know they won. I'm not saying it's a BAD idea, I just question the level of emphasis folks want to put on it.
That's the problem - almost all "national titles" prior to the first AP poll in 1936 were RETROACTIVE researchers saying, "This team was the best." Bear in mind that there's not even video of hardly any of this, so how would these guys know?
3) Alabama's number of national championships got a steroid shot in the mid-80s by a guy named Wayne Atcheson, and we may as well be honest enough to admit it.
The man has admitted his own bias, and okay, he did used recognized selectors. But choosing to acknowledge 1941 as a national title is such a sick joke that it undercuts the rest of his argument. I'm not saying there's anything inherently wrong with what he did as far as recognition - and what's important is that it did shine the spotlight on some good Alabama teams from long ago - but his entire purpose (which he admitted) was little more than, "How can I come up with a way to put Alabama with the most national championships and ahead of Notre Dame?" But once he did that, he created a problem - NOW Alabama has to win 27 national titles to be the top dog because how can you count some of the "iffy" ones and not acknowledge those old teams?
And that leads to another important point...
4) The most important thing you can ever do when discussing "number of Alabama national titles" is to lay out the criteria BEFORE the discussion occurs.
Let them start whenever. Let them use THEIR chosen criteria because it's a Catch 22. If ANY and ALL count, Alabama wins. And by any method you use, Alabama STILL wins. Yes - and this might shock some folks - but despite not making the BCS title game until the TWELFTH year, Alabama has more BCS titles (3) than anybody, too.
5) I'm trying to actually serve a larger purpose here, too.
That purpose being both education as well as equipping for inevitable discussions.
My plea - and folks I'll admit my Crimson bias openly and without one iota of shame - is to engage discussion CONSISTENTLY and honorably. Not the old "I will defend the old crimson lady at all costs" because that's not necessary. What will likely surprise a number of you, though, is how many times the EXACT SAME THING happened in CFB and people only seem to mention it when it involves Alabama. Amazing how often that happens.
a) several teams won the AP title and lost their bowl games prior to 1964, but you never hear one word about it.
b) the very same people who say "Alabama lost to USC head to head in 1978" actually believe FSU won one in 1993
c) the very same people who say "Alabama had no business in the 2012 game against LSU" ignore the fact that was 100 times less egregious than Oklahoma in 2003 (amazingly enough, on that one we get "well that was just the rules at the time" - EXACTLY!)
So we're going to look at each one BEGINNING with 1936 and whether it was justified, potential meetings, etc. Hopefully, this will be enlightening for all of us.
Years ago, I made it one of my missions in (sports) life to be informed on this subject because I noticed what seemed to be an unusually large number of folks authoring online pieces (blogs maybe in some cases) that trashed Alabama's national championships and necessarily "reduced" what they deemed to be "legitimate championships." I also noticed a tendency of fanbases to recite "facts" almost as mantras to make their cases.
Oklahoma fans unanimously only wanted to count national championships since 1936, at least when that meant they had the most.
Auburn fans had a near consensus (most of them prior to 2010) that "until there's a playoff, there's no such thing as a national champion" (YES, there were exceptions). An easy way to reduce your main rival's demonstrated on-the-field accomplishments.
Here's an argument I am NOT willing to have with anyone - the NUMBER of Alabama (or for that matter any team) national championships. And my reasoning has as much to do with the insane "logic" of some ALABAMA fans as it does the opposition. Alabama has more CLAIMS to national titles than they actually do "titles recognized" as do most schools. So let me lay the groundwork for what follows here, and we'll touch on some problems. What's truly amazing is that in almost every single case, these problems existed long before Alabama's controversial 1964 AP title led to a post-bowl title in 1965, a controversial UPI title in 1973 led to including bowls in the final tally, a series of split national championships (1990, 1991) led to the formation of the Bowl Coalition and so forth right up to the formation of the CFP thanks to Alabama's rematch with LSU. This last is in blue because it is utter nonsense, and nobody needs to be repeating it.
So let's admit a few things up front that will color the discussion as I proceed.
1) I only consider AP titles since 1936, UP/UPI titles since 1950, BCS titles, and CFP titles to be legitimate national titles.
Now this is for the purpose of the analysis only. Yeah, you can go ahead and convince yourself, "But I read in the newspaper that Alabama beating Washington in 1926 won the national championship." I'm sure you did. I'm also sure you don't even know what those words actually mean if you're using that argument because back in that day the winner of the Rose Bowl was often referred to as "the mythical national champion." That's because at that time there was only one bowl game, the Rose Bowl (the Sun Bowl didn't come along for another nine years and yes - it's the second-oldest still existing bowl), and the winner almost always had an unbeaten or nearly so record, and the Rose Bowl thus had prestige.
But it was no more AT THE TIME considered a "national championship" than the newspapers who would say when a baseball player had crossed a certain historical threshold in either a season or career that "the player entered the hall of fame." You can find articles saying this prior to the very notion of a Baseball Hall of Fame. Just because someone used a word in that time doesn't mean that it means what it does today.
2) I start with 1936 because you have to start SOMEWHERE - and what actual debate even existed prior to then?
It's not that I think "well nothing before 1936 is important" because that's not true. After all, Alabama has played football since 1892 and the SEC was formed in 1933, so that's important. But when you look at those lists of national championships for Ivy League schools early in the history of college football, those were in some cases recognized ALMOST A FULL CENTURY after the fact. The Billingsley Report that is the source of many of those titles was started by AN EIGHTEEN-YEAR OLD boy named Richard Billingsley in 1969 to retroactively select national champions. I mean no disrespect to Mr. Billingsley, whom I have zero doubt I could have a great conversation with regarding football. But really? I have a very difficult time wrapping my mind around the notion of claiming titles that the very players who supposedly earned them didn't even know they won. I'm not saying it's a BAD idea, I just question the level of emphasis folks want to put on it.
That's the problem - almost all "national titles" prior to the first AP poll in 1936 were RETROACTIVE researchers saying, "This team was the best." Bear in mind that there's not even video of hardly any of this, so how would these guys know?
3) Alabama's number of national championships got a steroid shot in the mid-80s by a guy named Wayne Atcheson, and we may as well be honest enough to admit it.
The man has admitted his own bias, and okay, he did used recognized selectors. But choosing to acknowledge 1941 as a national title is such a sick joke that it undercuts the rest of his argument. I'm not saying there's anything inherently wrong with what he did as far as recognition - and what's important is that it did shine the spotlight on some good Alabama teams from long ago - but his entire purpose (which he admitted) was little more than, "How can I come up with a way to put Alabama with the most national championships and ahead of Notre Dame?" But once he did that, he created a problem - NOW Alabama has to win 27 national titles to be the top dog because how can you count some of the "iffy" ones and not acknowledge those old teams?
And that leads to another important point...
4) The most important thing you can ever do when discussing "number of Alabama national titles" is to lay out the criteria BEFORE the discussion occurs.
Let them start whenever. Let them use THEIR chosen criteria because it's a Catch 22. If ANY and ALL count, Alabama wins. And by any method you use, Alabama STILL wins. Yes - and this might shock some folks - but despite not making the BCS title game until the TWELFTH year, Alabama has more BCS titles (3) than anybody, too.
5) I'm trying to actually serve a larger purpose here, too.
That purpose being both education as well as equipping for inevitable discussions.
My plea - and folks I'll admit my Crimson bias openly and without one iota of shame - is to engage discussion CONSISTENTLY and honorably. Not the old "I will defend the old crimson lady at all costs" because that's not necessary. What will likely surprise a number of you, though, is how many times the EXACT SAME THING happened in CFB and people only seem to mention it when it involves Alabama. Amazing how often that happens.
a) several teams won the AP title and lost their bowl games prior to 1964, but you never hear one word about it.
b) the very same people who say "Alabama lost to USC head to head in 1978" actually believe FSU won one in 1993
c) the very same people who say "Alabama had no business in the 2012 game against LSU" ignore the fact that was 100 times less egregious than Oklahoma in 2003 (amazingly enough, on that one we get "well that was just the rules at the time" - EXACTLY!)
So we're going to look at each one BEGINNING with 1936 and whether it was justified, potential meetings, etc. Hopefully, this will be enlightening for all of us.