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NoNC4Tubs said:
Apparently that is what he did and why CKD planned for it.

Can't blame Grubb really. I mean, until you have a job...you don't have a job.

I think we will be fine with whoever replaces him.;)
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To make sure I'm understanding this explanation right, Grubb told CKB he didn't want to be in Tuscaloosa aka "that far from the west coast" and CKD "planned for it" by bringing him along, presenting him as our OC and allowing him on the recruiting trail. Did he do this just in case Grubb couldn't find a job and his default move would be the OC at Alabama, a place he didn't want to be?

For the record, we will be completely fine without him, because I know CKD is the brains behind the offense. I'm just baffled at the process, LOL!
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
To make sure I'm understanding this explanation right, Grubb told CKB he didn't want to be in Tuscaloosa aka "that far from the west coast" and CKD "planned for it" by bringing him along, presenting him as our OC and allowing him on the recruiting trail. Did he do this just in case Grubb couldn't find a job and his default move would be the OC at Alabama, a place he didn't want to be?

For the record, we will be completely fine without him, because I know CKD is the brains behind the offense. I'm just baffled at the process, LOL!
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My understanding is that he was already planning on making a move to the NFL even before the bama hire.

He came along with dbeoer because if he didn't get an NFL OC job that's what he wanted to do, coach with deboer and had no plans or interest of being a college head coach.

If it was just, he didn't want to be in Tuscaloosa,.he pushed for and likely gets the Washington head coaching job. But he didn't.

Pete carrol being ousted came the day before sbans retirement i think? And he may have already had hopes of getting that Oc job and very likely already had ties to managament there.

It was always possible he wouldn't land an OC gig in the NFL and bama would have been the plan if he didn't.

Would have loved to have him, but will be fine without him.
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
To make sure I'm understanding this explanation right, Grubb told CKB he didn't want to be in Tuscaloosa aka "that far from the west coast" and CKD "planned for it" by bringing him along, presenting him as our OC and allowing him on the recruiting trail. Did he do this just in case Grubb couldn't find a job and his default move would be the OC at Alabama, a place he didn't want to be?

For the record, we will be completely fine without him, because I know CKD is the brains behind the offense. I'm just baffled at the process, LOL!
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What I meant was (and this is purely conjecture on my part but seems to make the most sense) is that Grubb made it known that if he were offered either of the Washington HC or the Seattle OC positions, that he would take it. Coach Saban never blamed an assistant for taking a step up the ladder and I suspect neither does CKD.

EDIT: Just read Chop's post above and he basically said had the same thought that I did...:cool:
 
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NoNC4Tubs said:
What I meant was (and this is purely conjecture on my part but seems to make the most sense) is that Grubb made it known that if he were offered either of the Washington HC or the Seattle OC positions, that he would take it. Coach Saban never blamed an assistant for taking a step up the ladder and I suspect neither does CKD.

EDIT: Just read Chop's post above and he basically said had the same thought that I did...:cool:
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I guess I just don't like anyone that much for me to willingly put myself in a career bind that could come back to bite me. But once again, my therapist is working on that with me as well. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
Where I blame him is if he knew from the get-go that Tuscaloosa wasn't a place where he wanted to be or his family. Then make that clear to CKD from the get-go and don't get invested to the point of being out on our recruiting trail and standing in front of a group of fans saying "I'm your OC". I don't understand circumstances that could have been in place that he couldn't have said from the very start "I don't want to go that far across the country, coach, I'm not going to be able to go with you." It's not like the guy (by doing that) was going to be unemployed longer than a week. 🤷‍♂️
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It’s akin to a player committing to a school (to insure he has a spot)…but continuing to take visits to other schools to see if an offer comes along later from a more-desirable school.

Grubb was insuring that he had a job…while seeing if a more desirable job was offered to him later.
 
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The timeline doesn’t really seem confusing to me.

DeBoer hired - 1/12/24

Grubb is reportedly wanting to get Washington HC jo

Fisch hired at Washington - 1/14/24

Grubb shows up in Alabama and starts recruiting.

McDonald hired at Seattle - 1/31/24.

Rumors started surfacing a few days later that Grubb was in consideration for OC.

Grubb hired as Seahawks OC - 2/10/24

My assumption is that he was probably offered the Seahawks OC job sometime prior to 2/10, but asked the Seahawks to delay announcing it until after NSD and when the portal closed.

I think it was clear that Grubb preferred to stay in Washington from the get go, but after he didn’t get the Washington job, he followed DeBoer to Alabama. After McDonald was hired at Seattle, he was given the opportunity to stay in Seattle and he took it.

If that’s the case, I can’t fault the man doing what is best for him and his family. If they did slow play the announcement, he did DeBoer and us a favor. I buy the notion that is somehow going to negatively affect our program as much as bought Saban “processing” players early in his tenure was going hurt us in recruiting.
 
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Seems we should hear who the new OC is already, or maybe tomorrow. If they anticipated Grubb's departure DeBoer should have the next OC already lined up. If they have to search outside the current coaching staff for an OC then a plan was not in place.
 
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Bamabuzzard said:
To make sure I'm understanding this explanation right, Grubb told CKB he didn't want to be in Tuscaloosa aka "that far from the west coast" and CKD "planned for it" by bringing him along, presenting him as our OC and allowing him on the recruiting trail. Did he do this just in case Grubb couldn't find a job and his default move would be the OC at Alabama, a place he didn't want to be?

For the record, we will be completely fine without him, because I know CKD is the brains behind the offense. I'm just baffled at the process, LOL!
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Grubb planned to be here. But when the Seahawk's position came up, that changed things. So it was wait and see on that. If he had not got that OC with Seattle, he'd be at Alabama.
 
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PA Tide Fan said:
Seems we should here who the new OC is already, or maybe tomorrow. If they anticipated Grubb's departure DeBoer should have the next OC already lined up. If they have to search outside the current coaching staff for an OC then a plan was not in place.
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Jess kind of addressed this in his post here. If they are in fact looking at the guys at Mizzou they would likely not have contacted them until Grubb was officially leaving, which was I believe on Friday or Saturday.
 
PA Tide Fan said:
Seems we should here who the new OC is already, or maybe tomorrow. If they anticipated Grubb's departure DeBoer should have the next OC already lined up. If they have to search outside the current coaching staff for an OC then a plan was not in place.
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I don’t think a plan was in place.

It was just a CYA statement to buy time to get a new OC.

If a plan was really in place we’d already have a new OC.
 
PA Tide Fan said:
Seems we should here who the new OC is already, or maybe tomorrow. If they anticipated Grubb's departure DeBoer should have the next OC already lined up. If they have to search outside the current coaching staff for an OC then a plan was not in place.
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Maybe he has. We're just not privy to all that goes on. They may be still haggling over money. We'll know soon enough.
 
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Unless the plan was basically a list of candidates he intended to go after IF/WHEN Grubb actually decided to leave.
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Yeah there may have been a list of names but I don’t consider that a ‘plan’ myself.

A plan would probably at least be setting a timeline of actions and putting some feelers out to make some contact with those names so that if something goes down the plan can be put into action fairly quickly.

I think we were caught flat footed and just started putting something together after Grubb bounced.
 
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PA Tide Fan said:
Seems we should hear who the new OC is already, or maybe tomorrow. If they anticipated Grubb's departure DeBoer should have the next OC already lined up. If they have to search outside the current coaching staff for an OC then a plan was not in place.
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He probably scoped out interest, but it's hard to have a formal agreement in place before you have an opening. I'd still expect it to take a few days, but no later than Wednesday probably.
 
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tusks_n_raider said:
I don’t think a plan was in place.

It was just a CYA statement to buy time to get a new OC.

If a plan was really in place we’d already have a new OC.
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I respectfully disagree. Firstly, you can't offer a job that isn't vacant...until it is.

Secondly, CKD and staff have been working their butts off on the recruiting trail. You can't waste time worrying about something that may or may not happen when you have more pressing matters to attend to. It's easy for us on a message board to be impatient because we don't see firsthand all of the moving pieces involved.


Also, its not a given that the tops guy on your list are even interested. so, you have to methodically go down your list one at a time. This takes a bit of time.

My boss once told me that he would rather get an estimate a little late than for it to be a little inaccurate... :cool:

Byrne and Saban think that we have the right man leading the program and we should give him the benefit of the doubt until we are proven wrong.
 
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