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Bamabuzzard said:
I think "on paper" it has to be considered a downgrade. But, many times what plays out on paper isn't what plays out on the field. Coaches are no different than players, they are either getting better or they're getting worse. They are either developing or they are not. It's been a few years since he's been a playcaller. Did he learn anything from then to now, that he'd do differently? Has he grown as a coach and now that he gets to call plays again will he apply what he knows now that he didn't know then to make him better? All that has to be taken into consideration but we won't know until we get into real games.
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For sure.

At one time people thought a dude named Bledsoe was the man for the Patriots and that a skinny kid named Brady was a career backup, and we all see how that turned out.
 
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tusks_n_raider said:
I realize Indiana is not Alabama.

That doesn’t change the fact that going from 42nd to 123rd in Scoring Offense is concerning.

When we make hires like this I always go read forum posts from those former teams to get a better idea.

I went and read Indiana fans thoughts and they echoed each other in that Sheridan was the worst OC they have ever had.

They feel about him how we probably feel about Radar or Applewhite or BoB.

They said the scheme and play calling were atrocious and it really came down to asking Penix to bail them out with a miracle play.

On the flip side they have nothing but good things to say about Wommack as DC.

So I feel optimistic about where we are at DC.

I do not feel the same about OC.

I or we just have to hope it works out despite the ominous tea leaves.
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Is it OK if we tell everyone the whole story?

* Indiana went 6-2 Sheridan's first year (Covid year), including wins over Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State and Wisconsin. They came within a TD of beating the Ohio State team we faced for the NC, and lost by six to Ole Miss in the bowl. Penix's performance in the shortened season was good enough to get him onto the Walker, Camp, etc.award watch lists heading into the 2021 year.

* In that 2021 season, due to injuries, Indiana was forced to use four different starting quarterbacks during the season: Michael Penix, Donaven McCulley, Jack Tuttle and Grant Gremel. Gremel was a walk-on. Other than Penix, none really got enough work to get into a rhythm as a quarterback; passing attempts for these four on the year were (respectively): 162, 82, 87, 58.

* 30 players missed at least one game each for injury and 18 were knocked out for the season at some point. This is where the "Indiana isn't Alabama" thing becomes most important, because Alabama could start its second team and finish with a winning record in the SEC. Indiana can't come close.

* Most importantly, let's be clear on what the goal is to Kalen DeBoer hiring an offensive coordinator, any offensive coordinator: This is like Saban hiring a defensive coordinator -- DeBoer is not bringing in someone to "run the offense." He's bringing in people to help him implement his offense. We will not be bringing in a standalone OC to run that side of the ball the way Saban hired Kiffin, Sarkisian, etc. If DeBoer's system can't cut it, we'll probably cut ties with DeBoer himself. We won't be picking at the edges. That would be the same thing as telling Saban to turn the defensive design over to Pete Golding. It didn't happen under him and it's not going to happen now.

When you frame the situation in the terms that actually apply to it, the above is what you get: This is DeBoer's offensive system, not Ryan Grubb's or Nick Sheridan's. It's either going to work or not because of DeBoer, not the guys hired to assist him.
 
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JessN said:
Is it OK if we tell everyone the whole story?

* Indiana went 6-2 Sheridan's first year (Covid year), including wins over Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State and Wisconsin. They came within a TD of beating the Ohio State team we faced for the NC, and lost by six to Ole Miss in the bowl. Penix's performance in the shortened season was good enough to get him onto the Walker, Camp, etc.award watch lists heading into the 2021 year.

* In that 2021 season, due to injuries, Indiana was forced to use four different starting quarterbacks during the season: Michael Penix, Donaven McCulley, Jack Tuttle and Grant Gremel. Gremel was a walk-on. Other than Penix, none really got enough work to get into a rhythm as a quarterback; passing attempts for these four on the year were (respectively): 162, 82, 87, 58.

* 30 players missed at least one game each for injury and 18 were knocked out for the season at some point. This is where the "Indiana isn't Alabama" thing becomes most important, because Alabama could start its second team and finish with a winning record in the SEC. Indiana can't come close.

* Most importantly, let's be clear on what the goal is to Kalen DeBoer hiring an offensive coordinator, any offensive coordinator: This is like Saban hiring a defensive coordinator -- DeBoer is not bringing in someone to "run the offense." He's bringing in people to help him implement his offense. We will not be bringing in a standalone OC to run that side of the ball the way Saban hired Kiffin, Sarkisian, etc. If DeBoer's system can't cut it, we'll probably cut ties with DeBoer himself. We won't be picking at the edges. That would be the same thing as telling Saban to turn the defensive design over to Pete Golding. It didn't happen under him and it's not going to happen now.

When you frame the situation in the terms that actually apply to it, the above is what you get: This is DeBoer's offensive system, not Ryan Grubb's or Nick Sheridan's. It's either going to work or not because of DeBoer, not the guys hired to assist him.
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I appreciate the extra context.

I certainly was not trying to leave any out.

I’m not overly familiar enough with Indiana to know the entire situation.

I just wanted to express my concerns and why I had them based on Data and Indiana fans viewpoint since they obviously watch their team every week.

Full transparency I was hoping we would be able to get the Mizzou Duo since that seemed to be the next best available option that was familiar with CKD’s system.

For now it feels to me like we landed on Plan C.

Plan C May work out and I hope it does.

I do hold Shephard in high regard because his work with WR’s has been Outstanding.

I could definitely see him progressing into being a Good OC.
 
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tusks_n_raider said:
Full transparency I was hoping we would be able to get the Mizzou Duo since that seemed to be the next best available option that was familiar with CKD’s system.
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You may still get their OL coach. His availability is apparently not tied to Kirby Moore.

Mason Miller is the guy I think bears watching most out of the names we currently have on the watchlist.
 
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JessN said:
UPDATE ...

Added Mason Miller to the OL rumors list.
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My cousin knows his brother. He is apparently very happy at his current school where he's the OC, prefers it to the grind of the SEC (due to getting more time with family) but said that bama would be hard for him to turn down.

Charles cross ended up surprisingly being better (so far) in the pros than the other first round tackles of his class (Evan Neal sadly included)
 
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TheRealPokeChop said:
My cousin knows his brother. He is apparently very happy at his current school where he's the OC, prefers it to the grind of the SEC (due to getting more time with family) but said that bama would be hard for him to turn down.

Charles cross ended up surprisingly being better (so far) in the pros than the other first round tackles of his class (Evan Neal sadly included)
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Where was Miller last year in 2023? Still there? Never mind. I see it's Tarleton St. I wouid think he'd get a bigger payday at Alabama. I guess he has to weigh no SEC grind against more money. Tarleton St doesn’t have a grind?
 
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Ledsteplin said:
Where was Miller last year in 2023? Still there? Never mind. I see it's Tarleton St. I wouid think he'd get a bigger payday at Alabama. I guess he has to weigh no SEC grind against more money. Tarleton St doesn’t have a grind?
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Recruiting at fcs schools a completely different animal than the sec.

Recruiting in the sec is what makes coaching a 100 hour or more a week job. Not an exaggeration btw.
 
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