Average FPI and Average SOS by conference

[Cruloc]

Average FPI:
1. SEC - 23
2. Big 10 - 44
3. Big 12 - 44
4. ACC - 50
5. Sun Belt - 87
6. American - 92
7. MWC - 92
8. MAC - 104
9. CUSA - 111

Average SOS:
1. SEC - 14
2. Big 10 - 30
3. ACC - 46
4. Big 12 - 53
5. MAC - 94
6. MWC - 98
7. America - 100
8. Sun Belt - 100
9. CUSA - 110

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I was looking closer at Oklahoma last night and look Oklahoma did not have a good offense and we should have beat them. They had a ton of WRs hurt and such. BUT they are ranked over BYU (who SMU lost to) in FPI and 5 of their 6 losses were to currently ranked teams. Their only loss to an unranked team was LSU. SMU only even played 2 ranked teams and lost both. I'm honestly not sure SMU would be much better than 6-6 with Oklahoma's schedule (4th hardest in the country)

Oklahoma was not nearly as bad as their perception. Especially with healthy LBs.

 

[denver]

I was looking closer at Oklahoma last night and look Oklahoma did not have a good offense and we should have beat them. They had a ton of WRs hurt and such. BUT they are ranked over BYU (who SMU lost to) in FPI and 5 of their 6 losses were to currently ranked teams. Their only loss to an unranked team was LSU. SMU only even played 2 ranked teams and lost both. I'm honestly not sure SMU would be much better than 6-6 with Oklahoma's schedule (4th hardest in the country)

Oklahoma was not nearly as bad as their perception. Especially with healthy LBs.

Agreed..their SOS is #1 i think too....but that doesnt fit the narrative...

 

[Cruloc]

The top 5 SOS are all SEC.
1. Georgia
2. Miss. State
3. Kentucky
4. Oklahoma
5. Florida

The first team outside the SEC/Big 10 is Florida State at 14.

 

[TideEngineer08]

I say if they want a full blown tournament, it needs to be treated like basketball's tournament. SOS is a heavy component.

This committee did not even consider it, despite their claims.

 

[Guido]

This link is to bamas future OOC schedule
I had forgotten about Ohio state. I wonder if Bryne will just pay the fee and opt out of some of these since the committee doesn't really value SOS. https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/alabama/

 

[bamamc1]

I was looking closer at Oklahoma last night and look Oklahoma did not have a good offense and we should have beat them. They had a ton of WRs hurt and such. BUT they are ranked over BYU (who SMU lost to) in FPI and 5 of their 6 losses were to currently ranked teams. Their only loss to an unranked team was LSU. SMU only even played 2 ranked teams and lost both. I'm honestly not sure SMU would be much better than 6-6 with Oklahoma's schedule (4th hardest in the country)

Oklahoma was not nearly as bad as their perception. Especially with healthy LBs.

That and you give Venables two weeks to get his team (especially defense) ready and you're in for a game. We found that out.

 

[bamamc1]

I say if they want a full blown tournament, it needs to be treated like basketball's tournament. SOS is a heavy component.

This committee did not even consider it, despite their claims.

Mark Gottfried would thrive in the current CFP. We were always basketball kings of the pre SEC schedule and would not get bids because of our Non conference.

 

[denver]

This link is to bamas future OOC schedule
I had forgotten about Ohio state. I wonder if Bryne will just pay the fee and opt out of some of these since the committee doesn't really value SOS. https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/alabama/

I think OSU will also want out given the committees message....or could leave it as a "wait and see what changes"...but its hard to fill a date on short notice....

 

[FloridanBlogger]

I was looking closer at Oklahoma last night and look Oklahoma did not have a good offense and we should have beat them. They had a ton of WRs hurt and such. BUT they are ranked over BYU (who SMU lost to) in FPI and 5 of their 6 losses were to currently ranked teams. Their only loss to an unranked team was LSU. SMU only even played 2 ranked teams and lost both. I'm honestly not sure SMU would be much better than 6-6 with Oklahoma's schedule (4th hardest in the country)

Oklahoma was not nearly as bad as their perception. Especially with healthy LBs.

Oklahoma would be considered a "quality loss" had they stayed in the Big-12 because they'd be undefeated...

It's also easy to say "you lost to Oklahoma" when your players aren't getting physically beaten to a pulp every week by playing the likes of Chihuahua State every single week.

 

[Cruloc]

How exactly would SMU have held up with a grind like Florida had the last half of their season.

Kentucky
Georgia
at Texas
LSU
Ole Miss

And here's another problem.....the top teams in the ACC were SMU / Clemson / Miami / Syracuse / Louisville / GT / Duke.....in that order by conference records.

SMU lost to Clemson....didn't play Miami....didn't play Syracuse....won at Louisville by one score....didn't play GT.....got lucky that Duke didn't make a 2 point conversion.

Indiana has the same problem....top teams in the B1G by record.....Oregon / Indiana / Penn State / Ohio State / Illinois / Iowa / Michigan. Indiana didn't play Oregon.....didn't play Penn State....lost by 3 TD's to Ohio State....didn't play Illinois....didn't play Iowa.....beat Michigan by 5.

We've gotten to the point where there are too many teams in each conference. So teams like Indiana can play the bottom of their conference to fill almost all of their conference games. Then get an inflated record that creeps them up higher in the rankings than they should be.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I say if they want a full blown tournament, it needs to be treated like basketball's tournament. SOS is a heavy component.

This committee did not even consider it, despite their claims.

I am convinced they had their minds made up before they even met. Their little meeting was only about seeding. They just made it seem like a long meeting for appearances.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

How exactly would SMU have held up with a grind like Florida had the last half of their season.

Kentucky
Georgia
at Texas
LSU
Ole Miss

And here's another problem.....the top teams in the ACC were SMU / Clemson / Miami / Syracuse / Louisville / GT / Duke.....in that order by conference records.

SMU lost to Clemson....didn't play Miami....didn't play Syracuse....won at Louisville by one score....didn't play GT.....got lucky that Duke didn't make a 2 point conversion.

Indiana has the same problem....top teams in the B1G by record.....Oregon / Indiana / Penn State / Ohio State / Illinois / Iowa / Michigan. Indiana didn't play Oregon.....didn't play Penn State....lost by 3 TD's to Ohio State....didn't play Illinois....didn't play Iowa.....beat Michigan by 5.

We've gotten to the point where there are too many teams in each conference. So teams like Indiana can play the bottom of their conference to fill almost all of their conference games. Then get an inflated record that creeps them up higher in the rankings than they should be.

Exactly. This is what I dreaded when we quit divisions.

 

[Cruloc]

I am convinced they had their minds made up before they even met. Their little meeting was only about seeding. They just made it seem like a long meeting for appearances.

Oh there minds were made up. Having us at 11, SMU at 8.....we were never getting in if Clemson won like they did or won 38-14.

They still have us at 11....but they were never going to drop SMU below 11.

 

[denver]

How exactly would SMU have held up with a grind like Florida had the last half of their season.

Kentucky
Georgia
at Texas
LSU
Ole Miss

And here's another problem.....the top teams in the ACC were SMU / Clemson / Miami / Syracuse / Louisville / GT / Duke.....in that order by conference records.

SMU lost to Clemson....didn't play Miami....didn't play Syracuse....won at Louisville by one score....didn't play GT.....got lucky that Duke didn't make a 2 point conversion.

Indiana has the same problem....top teams in the B1G by record.....Oregon / Indiana / Penn State / Ohio State / Illinois / Iowa / Michigan. Indiana didn't play Oregon.....didn't play Penn State....lost by 3 TD's to Ohio State....didn't play Illinois....didn't play Iowa.....beat Michigan by 5.

We've gotten to the point where there are too many teams in each conference. So teams like Indiana can play the bottom of their conference to fill almost all of their conference games. Then get an inflated record that creeps them up higher in the rankings than they should be.

Good breakdown and something the committee conveniently overlooked....same goes for Penn St and ND too.

 

[Cruloc]

Good breakdown and something the committee conveniently overlooked....same goes for Penn St and ND too.

As a matter of fact:
Penn State....lost to Oregon.....didn't play Indiana.....lost to Ohio State.....beat Illinois....didn't play Iowa....didn't play Michigan.....beat the next team Minnesota by 1.

Notre Dame....beat Texas A&M....beat Louisville...beat Georgia Tech soundly....and beat Navy and Army both ranked at the time.

 

[KrAzY3]

I say if they want a full blown tournament, it needs to be treated like basketball's tournament. SOS is a heavy component.

This committee did not even consider it, despite their claims.

I was sounding the alarm for the past couple of years, there was a time where the committee did seem to consider SoS, perhaps even too much (two loss Auburn over undefeated Wisconsin). But, the committee started breaking with any metric based rankings and going the wrong way. They actually reached the point where they were not only breaking from the BCS, but they were ignoring SoS so much they were breaking from the human polls as well!

The committee had literally become the least data driven well known ranking system. For instance last year they had Oregon as the #1 one loss team, ahead of Alabama, Texas and Ohio State going into the final week. Guess who had the worst SoS of the bunch? Oregon, but it didn't matter to them. They also ended up putting Alabama at #4 when in fact Alabama was #3 in the BCS. They came really close last year to screwing over Alabama as well, when Alabama should have been in easily.

 

[Cruloc]

Interesting note....because I've gone down a rabbit hole today:

SMU's rank by week and who they played.

Preseason - NR (beat Nevada)
Week 2 - NR (others receiving votes) (beat Houston Christian?)
Week 3 - NR (lost to BYU) (BYU was not ranked)
Week 4 - bye week (still NR)
Week 5 - NR (back in others receiving votes) (beat TCU)
Week 6 - NR (others receiving votes) (beat Florida State)
Week 7 - #25 (beat Louisville)
Week 8 - #21 (bye week)
Week 9 - #22 (beat Stanford)
Week 10 - #20 (beat Duke in OT)
Week 11 - #13 (beat Pittsburgh) (Pitt was #18)
Week 12 - #14 (bye week)
Week 13 - #13 (beat Boston College)
Week 14 - #9 (beat Virginia)
Week 15 - #8 (beat California)
Week 16 - #10 (lost to Clemson)

Their big movements were beating Duke in OT and Pitt the next week. Pitt was ranked at the time, but had played no one and lost the rest of their games. The other one was our fault....week 14...SMU was beneficiary of Bama losing to Oklahoma and Ole Miss losing to Florida and Indiana losing to Ohio State.

 

[Jack Bourbon]

I get that we can't complain as we blew our 2nd and 3rd chance, but this it is all so ludicrous.

We wouldn't have needed a 2nd or 3rd chance had we been in the ACC, Mtn West, etc

 

[KrAzY3]

I get that we can't complain as we blew our 2nd and 3rd chance, but this it is all so ludicrous.

We wouldn't have needed a 2nd or 3rd chance had we been in the ACC, Mtn West, etc

My issue is not necessarily Alabama is out. Mind you, they should be in.

It's that Boise State gets a bye. Arizona St. is in. SMU with a poor resume is in.

If South Carolina and Ole Miss got in and Alabama was out, I'd complain but at least I could go well alright may be it was a bad showing late in the season... but this is just, atrocious.

This system has been setup deliberately to give the easiest possible path to some of the least deserving teams. People are saying SMU and Boise State are going to get demolished and they probably will eventually, but it's such an enormous gift to avoid the high SoS, truly tested teams for so much of the bracket.

Sure, wait until they get Georgia, but until then? It's easier than a SEC schedule...