Bama Game Thread: Bama PostGame Thread - Bama vs. OU...

[DzynKingRTR]

Agreed. We got the ball back with like 6min left, and ran the clock out on ourselves, at home, before reaching midfield. It was a deliberate gamble that I did not agree with. Why force yourself to rely on one single 85yd drive.

Given how our defense had played to that point, we should have scored as quickly as possible and trust the defense to get a stop

 

[denver]

Given how our defense had played to that point, we should have scored as quickly as possible and trust the defense to get a stop

Agreed. We got the ball back with like 6min left, and ran the clock out on ourselves, at home, before reaching midfield. It was a deliberate gamble that I did not agree with. Why force yourself to rely on one single 85yd drive.

I am sure that OU was thrilled to see us fall into the trap of running the ball and the clock by dropping the safeties deep...it was too good for Grubb to pass up apparently but it also didn't help us move the ball since they could stop the run with their front 4-5 pretty much.

 

[22Musso22]

Well, did he just drop the ball to be dropping it? NO.
He fumbled because he got hit because the oline keeps getting beat off the edge.

The qb also has accountability. Not just the OL. You have to LEARN to have pocket awareness and how to take a sack.

 

[irvingtontide]

Ryan should have made the catch on the last play it was a tough play but it’s something a 5 star standout should be able to make. The other problem is he cut his route just short of the sticks and if he caught it he wouldn’t have got the 1st down.

 

[mlh]

17 points on 3 turnovers. Eliminate those and we win 21-6. Eliminate only 1 of those turnovers, or hit a chip-shot field goal, and we still win. If that was the case, I think the tone of the posts on this board would be very different.

I haven't studied the game as much as some on here. And I haven't re-watched the game. I'm going from one pass, during the heat of the moment. Here's what I don't understand.

It seems like we put together a good drive and score, then stop doing what we just did to put points on the board. When we stick with the short-to-mid range passing game, we're very hard to stop. We have elite receivers who can get open if we get it out quickly. Why are we running slow-developing pass plays that expose the poor blocking of our OL and subject TS to sacks and hurries? Why do we try to force the run game when that's not our strength?

We can blame the OL and our RBs who can't find a hole to hit. We can blame TS for holding onto the ball too long instead of running or throwing it away. But, at some point, you have to ask why the OC is not designing a game plan that maximizes our talent and minimizes our weaknesses. When we do what TS does best, and what our WRs excel at, we're almost unstoppable.

I was a big fan of CRG but I'm starting to sour a bit. I think he tries to be too cute at times. Just figure out what works and do it. Over...and over...again...until they stop it.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

My week sucked. Alabama loses in basketball and football, the Chiefs lose, and the Falcons lose. I am pretty sure if the Braves had played they would have lost too.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I agree with you about Carroll. My point is that he and Deboer’s other OL recruits and most portal acquisitions have the same body type as most of the players he inherited. Proctor and Brailsford are the only outliers. Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you meant.

Not all of them are 320+ lbs. There are OL recruits that are 300-310. There are a few under 300 LBs. When going to the portal you sometimes have to take what you can get especially if you're desperate.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Ryan should have made the catch on the last play it was a tough play but it’s something a 5 star standout should be able to make. The other problem is he cut his route just short of the sticks and if he caught it he wouldn’t have got the 1st down.

Williams is greatly underperforming for what hes getting paid. Hes got a lot of work to do this offseason.

 

[AlexanderFan]

17 points on 3 turnovers. Eliminate those and we win 21-6. Eliminate only 1 of those turnovers, or hit a chip-shot field goal, and we still win. If that was the case, I think the tone of the posts on this board would be very different.

I haven't studied the game as much as some on here. And I haven't re-watched the game. I'm going from one pass, during the heat of the moment. Here's what I don't understand.

It seems like we put together a good drive and score, then stop doing what we just did to put points on the board. When we stick with the short-to-mid range passing game, we're very hard to stop. We have elite receivers who can get open if we get it out quickly. Why are we running slow-developing pass plays that expose the poor blocking of our OL and subject TS to sacks and hurries? Why do we try to force the run game when that's not our strength?

We can blame the OL and our RBs who can't find a hole to hit. We can blame TS for holding onto the ball too long instead of running or throwing it away. But, at some point, you have to ask why the OC is not designing a game plan that maximizes our talent and minimizes our weaknesses. When we do what TS does best, and what our WRs excel at, we're almost unstoppable.

I was a big fan of CRG but I'm starting to sour a bit. I think he tries to be too cute at times. Just figure out what works and do it. Over...and over...again...until they stop it.

Pure speculation but maybe he’s trying to stay ahead of the defense.

It also makes the offense a jack of all trades, but not really good at one thing.

 

[RammerJammer14]

Williams is greatly underperforming for what hes getting paid. Hes got a lot of work to do this offseason.

I’ll be honest, I haven’t been that impressed with his play. IMO he is at best our 3rd best reciever, maybe 4th. I’d put Bernard, Brooks, and Cuevas in front of him for guys I’d prefer to see a pass thrown to, especially when the chips are down. Maybe he is just having a sophomore slump, he did after all catch the game winner against UGA last year. But this season he plays timid, like he’d rather be playing flag football, and has terrible ball security.

 

[teamplayer]

17 points on 3 turnovers. Eliminate those and we win 21-6. Eliminate only 1 of those turnovers, or hit a chip-shot field goal, and we still win. If that was the case, I think the tone of the posts on this board would be very different.

I haven't studied the game as much as some on here. And I haven't re-watched the game. I'm going from one pass, during the heat of the moment. Here's what I don't understand.

It seems like we put together a good drive and score, then stop doing what we just did to put points on the board. When we stick with the short-to-mid range passing game, we're very hard to stop. We have elite receivers who can get open if we get it out quickly. Why are we running slow-developing pass plays that expose the poor blocking of our OL and subject TS to sacks and hurries? Why do we try to force the run game when that's not our strength?

We can blame the OL and our RBs who can't find a hole to hit. We can blame TS for holding onto the ball too long instead of running or throwing it away. But, at some point, you have to ask why the OC is not designing a game plan that maximizes our talent and minimizes our weaknesses. When we do what TS does best, and what our WRs excel at, we're almost unstoppable.

I was a big fan of CRG but I'm starting to sour a bit. I think he tries to be too cute at times. Just figure out what works and do it. Over...and over...again...until they stop it.

I think it is like some other posters have mentioned. Almost all offensive coordinators like to show how gifted and creative they are. It is usually their biggest fault. I think they try to show that they aren't meatheads, but they usually just out think themselves by making simple things complicated.

 

[RammerJammer14]

I think it is like some other posters have mentioned. Almost all offensive coordinators like to show how gifted and creative they are. It is usually their biggest fault. I think they try to show that they aren't meatheads, but they usually just out think themselves by making simple things complicated.

I am mildly concerned about how much practice time we seem to spend on new cutesy plays vs executing the offense. We pulled out like 6 “trick” plays yesterday to convert some very standard 3rd and shorts and whatnot.

 

[AlexanderFan]

I am mildly concerned about how much practice time we seem to spend on new cutesy plays vs executing the offense. We pulled out like 6 “trick” plays yesterday to convert some very standard 3rd and shorts and whatnot.

I’m worried that this is necessary to keep these guys focused on football.

I’m worried this will be the new normal.

 

[Tide-one-on]

I also had a lousy weekend
Alabama lost
Chiefs lost
Air Force Lost
University of West Florida lost- our local undefeated college
Only good thing was our SPHL hockey team won both games...

 

[BamaMoon]

Agreed. We got the ball back with like 6min left, and ran the clock out on ourselves, at home, before reaching midfield. It was a deliberate gamble that I did not agree with. Why force yourself to rely on one single 85yd drive.

Not specifically speaking to you alone, but since several have said they thought we "slow played the clock," I'm not certain that was the plan.

What I think happened on that last drive was what happened on every other drive in the game. We are simply not built to be a "strike quick" offense. I can't remember many drives this year that we scored quickly (against decent defences).

And even if we had a very reliable field goal kicker, most OCs know a TD is always better than a FG and Grubb surely understood the struggles of Talty.

All I'm saying is our offense the whole game needed 3 downs to convert 1st downs and the last drive was no different. Yes, Grubb might have called a few extra runs because of the 2 deep safeties, but some of those runs produced decent runs that were just as productive as most of our passing plays.

I think all of us are underemphasizing that, despite dominating the total yardage stat, OU is an opportunistic defense that allows you to move the ball but is harder to score on, regardless.

What I meant was Greg goes out of his way to come off as objective to a ridiculous degree.

He can be as obnoxious as Gary Danielson at times because of it.

Mark does not care if he comes off as biased one bit.

He goes out of his way to heap praise all over Bama teams and players to also an almost comical degree.

So for HIM to actually make that comment on social media tells you just how disgusted he was with that type of play vs OU because it was honestly just a putrid performance by anyone not associated with the Defense.

The difference is Mark's media presence is more like Corso, Saban, McAfee, etc., who are allowed to be homers if they so choose. Greg calls games and, like Herbstreit, has to strive for better balance. So I don't think it's apples to apples.

Ryan should have made the catch on the last play it was a tough play but it’s something a 5 star standout should be able to make. The other problem is he cut his route just short of the sticks and if he caught it he wouldn’t have got the 1st down.

I disagree. Not only did the OU DB deflect the ball, but even if RW catches the ball, it would have been short of the line to gain.

I think this pass was one of several that Ty was inaccurate on. RW had the separation from the defender toward the sideline, and if Ty puts the ball to his outside shoulder and higher RW has an easy reception opportunity. He basically underthrew it 3-4 yards at least.

Williams is greatly underperforming for what hes getting paid. Hes got a lot of work to do this offseason.

I just defended him in my previous comment, but now to be fair, you and others who are saying this are 100% correct. I'm not even sure what his NIL is but I've heard 1 mill, but he's not justifying it. He still is catching the ball against his chest rather than with his hands. And he's shy of contact after the catch. He's playing scared since his concussion.

I’m worried that this is necessary to keep these guys focused on football.

I’m worried this will be the new normal.

I think it is also because Grubb knows we struggle to make the basic 3rd and short conversions. He's having to work around on OL that isn't reliable to help our RBs gain those basic runs.

 

[BamaMoon]

There's one thing I think the coaches have got to own going forward and I think this L will push them to do so.

It's time to give D. Hill all the RB pass pro reps he can get in the next two weeks of practice and game time. 26 isn't producing and a football neophyte can see the difference.

When 26 hits a defensive pile, it doesn't move but when Hill does, it moves. Not only that, Jam is hesitant and Hill is more deliberate getting to the LOS. It's like daylight and dark.

In hindsight, I think we could have run the ball more than we did against OU and taken some of the pressure off the passing game if we just put Hill in at RB.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

The difference is Mark's media presence is more like Corso, Saban, McAfee, etc., who are allowed to be homers if they so choose. Greg calls games and, like Herbstreit, has to strive for better balance. So I don't think it's apples to apples.

I understand they have different roles but that’s not really the main point I’m trying to make.

Greg = Kirk more or less

Mark = Desmond more of less

What I’m saying is Mark’s comment hits harder because you don’t expect or see him drop the TV persona and say something so harsh ever really.

Greg says harsh things routinely whether they are due to his role or not. If he said what Mark said it probably ruffles our feathers but it doesn’t shock or land as hard.

 

[Bama Shoals]

So, according to ESPN's Bill Connelley and Postgame Win Expectancy (PGWE), we now have the two most unlikely losses based on stats in the last two years of college football. Those are last year's Vandy game and this Oklahoma game. Based on the raw stats from the games, we had a PGWE of 98.5% for the Vandy game and 95.2% for the Oklahoma game. That means a team with our stats would expect to win those games at those rates. We are literally snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory!

 

[RammerJammer14]

So, according to ESPN's Bill Connelley and Postgame Win Expectancy (PGWE), we now have the two most unlikely losses based on stats in the last two years of college football. Those are last year's Vandy game and this Oklahoma game. Based on the raw stats from the games, we had a PGWE of 98.5% for the Vandy game and 95.2% for the Oklahoma game. That means a team with our stats would expect to win those games at those rates. We are literally snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory!

This staff does love to break all the wrong records, that is for sure.

 

[TideEngineer08]

This staff does love to break all the wrong records, that is for sure.

To be fair… most of the record streaks were unsustainable.

This one, however, is pretty egregious.