Climate News & Discussion: Part 2


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Oct 13, 1999
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We are looking at France in 2024...
I hope things will have settled down by then. France is determined to force vaccination. This country is not. They've moved up the date from 9/1 to 8/1 that you will have to prove vaccination to go to a restaurant or shopping center or board a plane or train. Of course, most of that is placing the policing on the back of small business...


Feb 12, 2006
So I have heard recent comments from realtors in rural North Alabama selling homes sight unseen to people from Oregon and California. If the Republicans want to maintain their conservative way of life they might want to get on board with climate change mitigation. I expect as things get more dire out West we will see a migration from the West.
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Oct 19, 2001
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The Amazon Rainforest Has Reached the Point of No Return | Opinion
The Amazon, the largest rainforest on Earth—accounting for nearly a third of the world's primary forest—was once one of our greatest carbon sinks. As we recently celebrated World Nature Conservation Day on July 28, we must face the grim consequences of our actions. The Amazon now pumps carbon into the atmosphere.

In a recent study published by Nature, we learn that the rampant destruction of Brazilian rainforests, especially under Jair Bolsonaro's presidency, means the Amazon now emits more carbon than it absorbs. At the end of last year, Brazil's National Institute for Space Research (INPE) reported that Amazonian deforestation hit a 12-year high.
Deforestation is largely driven by beef production, by far the biggest offender in the battle against climate change, with growing demand for burgers and steaks fundamentally transforming the dynamics of deforestation.
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Climate Change Poised to Push Emperor Penguins to the Brink of Extinction
Emperor penguins, which stand nearly four feet tall, need stable sea ice to survive, but climate change is steadily melting away their Antarctic home. Unless dramatic action is taken to slow the progression of climate change, new research predicts the species will be all but extinct by the year 2100, reports Christina Larson for the Associated Press (AP).
The study, published this week in the journal Global Change Biology, estimates that 98 percent of emperor penguin colonies will become quasi-extinct by 2100 if greenhouse gas emissions continue at their current pace. As Rachel Pannett of the Washington Post explains, quasi-extinct means some individuals may survive but in such low numbers that the population is doomed. In just under 30 years, in 2050, the study predicts around 70 percent of colonies will be quasi-extinct unless the world rapidly curbs greenhouse gas emissions.
Climate Change Poised to Push Emperor Penguins to the Brink of Extinction | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine
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These intakes become VERY important in the coming days.
What you are looking at are the two water intake pipes for the Hyatt Powerplant at the base of Lake Oroville.
Hydropower is really a powerful tool that California has to produce greener power...and it can be generated 24 hours a long as there is water that can be released.
The upcoming issue is that the water will soon fall BELOW the bottom of these intakes.
I've read that is around 640 ft. but I am not sure of the exact number.
Right now Lake Oroville is at 646 feet and the record low is 645 set in September 1977.
So very quickly we are going to have a record low...then a possible disruption of power generation from the plant.
I've read that when functioning this plant can power up to 800,000 homes.
Very often power loss can be filled by other sources since it's on a grid and all ties in. We see this all the time when power plants are offline or reduced for maintenance. But Oroville is key for renewable power generation so it will be interesting to see how that is affected number-wise.
One cold hard fact about Oroville is that is has NO chance of recovery until we get big wet storms in our rainy season. Thunderstorms will not do it. You have minimums you need to flow out so you don't kill the habitat below in the Feather river AND there are lots of customers downstream that depend on water coming out of Oroville.
Also....we still have's hot and long days will take water out of that lake as it evaporates into the air.
So that Lake is going to continue to go down...the question is how low?
We don't know...but if we don't get early storms...and over the last decade we haven''s going to be pretty low.
There are hard limits built into these lakes for what they are built for. We JUST learned this the hard way when Oroville went over 900 feet and the emergency spillway was used and that was REALLY bad.
The lesson we will learn soon is that as it drops...we come up on hard numbers and realities...soon it will be power then if it gets to becomes a dead pool.
Dead pool is when a lake is so low the remaining water doesn't reach intake pipes and water flow BELOW the dam is threatened.
We were close to this with Folsom Lake during the last drought. They were installing barges and pumps to keep some water flowing for the half million that depend on it as an emergency plan. did and they were not finished/used.
We have to think ahead on these things.
At one point...when the emergency spillway was falling apart everyone said...didn't they plan for this? Well it was a very inadequate plan based on hope because many thought they would never have to use it...well we did.
We need to think ahead....look at the charts...and plan for lower water and what would happen next.
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