Crazy when you put it like that.Scary thought for everyone else: Bama is even money vs. the field, i.e. every other team in Division 1, when it comes to national championships over the last 12 years.
Crazy when you put it like that.Scary thought for everyone else: Bama is even money vs. the field, i.e. every other team in Division 1, when it comes to national championships over the last 12 years.
Truly impressive.This is the definitive answer to the changing staff discussions.
No amount of staff changes will ever slow down Nick Saban's machine
I'll admit it. I thought the constant churn of assistant coaches would one day be Alabama's downfall. At some point, Nick Saban would run out of talentedfootballscoop.com
The promotion of Locksley and Lupoi are probably the closest you are going to get. They are the only two coordinators besides Applewhite and Steele that didn’t win a championship. But Locksley is a better OC than Nuss. Lupoi maybe is the worst DC out of the 5 we have had under Saban.Truly impressive.
This article made me think of a question I'd like to ask all of you here on TideFans: Are there any hires/promotions during Saban's time at Alabama that are widely considered to be poor decisions or failures amongst your fanbase? Some will always be better than others, but are there any that were just flat-out not up to par?
It just seems to me like Saban's staff management has always been at least good enough to avoid any major drop-offs from one year to the next.
I also ask partly because something I'll always remember about Urban Meyer's time at OSU was his hit-or-miss track record when it came to hiring/replacing staff members.
Major Applewhite...Truly impressive.
This article made me think of a question I'd like to ask all of you here on TideFans: Are there any hires/promotions during Saban's time at Alabama that are widely considered to be poor decisions or failures amongst your fanbase? Some will always be better than others, but are there any that were just flat-out not up to par?
It just seems to me like Saban's staff management has always been at least good enough to avoid any major drop-offs from one year to the next.
I also ask partly because something I'll always remember about Urban Meyer's time at OSU was his hit-or-miss track record when it came to hiring/replacing staff members.
Brent Key was the OL coach for a few years. During that time, we recruited well, but the OL under-performed its talent.Major Applewhite...
The promotion of Locksley and Lupoi are probably the closest you are going to get. They are the only two coordinators besides Applewhite and Steele that didn’t win a championship. But Locksley is a better OC than Nuss. Lupoi maybe is the worst DC out of the 5 we have had under Saban.
Major Applewhite...
Thanks for the responses.Brent Key was the OL coach for a few years. During that time, we recruited well, but the OL under-performed its talent.
I wouldn't call him a failure, but it was clear he was "encouraged" to look elsewhere.
Same thing with OC Doug Nussmeier. Not really a case of failure. But more one of under-achievement given the talent he had to work with, and a lack of evolution to match the game.
Bo Davis was a first-rate DL coach until he ran afoul of the NCAA limitations on contacting recruits. As with so many things in life, what he did wasn't really all that bad, and probably would have resulted in a slap on the wrist. Except.....then he lied to both Saban and the NCAA to cover it up. Which was incredibly stupid because evidence was right there on his University computer and phone.
To his credit, he owned it, blamed nobody but himself, and expressed what I believe is sincere regret.
Seems to have landed on his feet, as he's now the DL coach under Sark at UTw, after some time in the pros.
Saban is pretty good at evaluating and developing talent. Pretty, pretty, pretty good...It's definitely crazy to think that these names are the closest you'll get to "poor" hires during Saban's time. I honestly feel like Applewhite would be a solid OC hire now in 2021, but it was definitely a little early for him to be OC at Alabama in 2007 -- I guess that just means Saban saw something in him early on, if anything.
Well, he's only 3:6 NCs in that time. That means he didn't win the NC HALF the time. SMH...
I think he did. However, he was named co-offensive coordinator, in reality, with Joe Pendry, who carried the title of "Assistant Head Coach - Offense." At the end of the 2007 season, Applewhite demanded the entire responsibility and tendered his resignation, conditionally. It was accepted. Everyone wanted Major to succeed. He was the son of Bama grads and was named after a beloved RB of the 1970s, Major Ogilvie...Thanks for the responses.
It's definitely crazy to think that these names are the closest you'll get to "poor" hires during Saban's time. I honestly feel like Applewhite would be a solid OC hire now in 2021, but it was definitely a little early for him to be OC at Alabama in 2007 -- I guess that just means Saban saw something in him early on, if anything.
Major Applewhite was a pretty bad hire. And he hasn't really done well anywhere elseMajor Applewhite...
I tend to exclude Applewhite from the bad hire categories mostly because he was young and he was dealing with Shula players. His other jobs were Texas and Houston. He did okay at Houston until Tillman Ferritta wanted to stick it to Lane Kiffin and hire Applewhite as HC instead. Applewhite has more gotten jobs he really probably wasn’t prepared for, but apparently a lot of people see some promise in him.Thanks for the responses.
It's definitely crazy to think that these names are the closest you'll get to "poor" hires during Saban's time. I honestly feel like Applewhite would be a solid OC hire now in 2021, but it was definitely a little early for him to be OC at Alabama in 2007 -- I guess that just means Saban saw something in him early on, if anything.
Is Nuss even coaching now?I tend to exclude Applewhite from the bad hire categories mostly because he was young and he was dealing with Shula players. His other jobs were Texas and Houston. He did okay at Houston until Tillman Ferritta wanted to stick it to Lane Kiffin and hire Applewhite as HC instead. Applewhite has more gotten jobs he really probably wasn’t prepared for, but apparently a lot of people see some promise in him.
As for the worst OC IMO it is Nuss. In 2012 we were lucky not to have 3 losses because of that ding bat. We were far and away the best team in the country but we got in needless dog fights because he couldn’t help himself. LSU everyone remembers AJ to TJ, but no one recalls AJ being totally ineffective while Eddie was totally gashing them. aTm everyone probably remembers Johnny more but Nuss called a horrible game and made a Pete Carroll SB 49 call at the end. Georgia was just as bad as LSU. UGA could not stop the run all day but we spent the entire 1st half passing for some odd reason. Then the 2013 Auburn game is squarely on him. Yes blame Cade Foster all you want but he wasn’t the genius trying to run TJ Yeldon up the middle with a stacked box why AJ and Cooper are having the day of their lives.
After flaming out with Hoke and get Mac fired at Florida, he is now the Cowboys QB coach.Is Nuss even coaching now?
After flaming out with Hoke and get Mac fired at Florida, he is now the Cowboys QB coach.
But what’s crazy is that he was Sark’s OC at Washington before coming here.
Sometimes, I’m a bit slow. Took me a few to figure out that if you think of the NC seasons as the right-hand number in the Off-season column, the number of coaching changes shows in the right-hand column.
I agree. The numbers don't lie. A few observations:Sometimes, I’m a bit slow. Took me a few to figure out that if you think of the NC seasons as the right-hand number in the Off-season column, the number of coaching changes shows in the right-hand column.
So the NC years correspond to relatively low turnover in the previous offseason:
2009 - 2
2011 - 3
2012 - 2
2015 - 2
2017 - 3
2020 - 1
The amount of assistant coaching turnover that Saban has overcome, all the while maintaining excellence on the field, is an incredible accomplishment.
There’s also no denying that the very best results happen in seasons following the lowest off-season coaching turnover.
Obviously, a lot of other data points figure in as well. But numbers is numbers, and they don’t have a rooting interest.