Here are the real numbers from CDC. I'm a little puzzled at some of the interpretations which have been placed on them...
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Good point. Total deaths per week have continuously fallen every week since the high in late April. They are now down 75-98% since then depending on using world o meter or CDC numbers. The CDC numbers are delayed a bit due to the way of the reporting, but either way they are down at last 75% since the height of deaths even while total infections have more than tripled.
IHME | COVID-19 Projections
Explore forecasts of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospital resource use.
covid19.healthdata.org
If you click here and then scroll to the daily deaths, you will see a chart with a steep decline of actual deaths as well as a projected continuation of further deaths.
This has been beaten to death. The youngsters are now contracting it through reckless behavior. Their survival rate is naturally higher. At the same time, older people are taking even more precautions. The death rate is going to take an unfortunate turn shortly. Now, this thread was started to avoid the political and be confined to scientific matters only. You need to be posting in the other thread. You're resting until we can talk...IHME | COVID-19 Projections
Explore forecasts of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospital resource use.
If you click here and then scroll to the daily deaths, you will see a chart with a steep decline of actual deaths as well as a projected continuation of further deaths.
I am going to address this because I said I would and I do not want people getting wrong information that is not challenged.
3. Self explanatory. 0.004 is 0.4%.
4. These number have no basis in fact. You have to have the number infected and the number that died to calculate and compare. That is simply not possible at this time and your method is severely flawed.
5. Generally speaking, most of them when your interpretation is added.
You are cherry picking the data to fit your preconceived notions and that is not how science is done. You are misrepresenting the scenario data from the CDC as actual numbers when they are not.
I have not had the opportunity to dig into the CDC's claim that 10x the official number have been infected. That is their estimation - that much is true. How accurate that estimation turns out to be is questionable. To state it as if it were fact is...dubious, at best.
I am generally avoiding preprint publications due to the very high number of poor to very poor "studies" and article being published. That has caused this thread to turn into a slow trickle. With few exceptions the preprint articles are really not worth discussing since they are so poor in quality and are often turning out to be quite flawed. Those that I post I place the disclaimer that it is preprint at the least, and at times I've delved further into the problems therein.
My two biggest problems with your posts are the cherry picking and misinterpretation of the data.
I’ve seen reports that some of the border states resurgence could be attributed to both legal and undocumented immigrants.
medium.com
Are Covid-Sick Mexicans Crossing to Take Empty American Hospital Beds?
U.S. Media Coverage Weirdly Skirts Key Questions about New Covid Influx on the Border
medium.com
Yeah, let's find a way to blame someone else. Not the behavior of the people in the states who are acting like idiots and refusing to wear masks.I’ve seen reports that some of the border states resurgence could be attributed to both legal and undocumented immigrants.
Are Covid-Sick Mexicans Crossing to Take Empty American Hospital Beds?
U.S. Media Coverage Weirdly Skirts Key Questions about New Covid Influx on the Border
Where are the author's facts? Where is his evidence? He posits a theory, derides someone else for their "lack of evidence", yet offers none of his own. Terrible article.I’ve seen reports that some of the border states resurgence could be attributed to both legal and undocumented immigrants.
Are Covid-Sick Mexicans Crossing to Take Empty American Hospital Beds?
U.S. Media Coverage Weirdly Skirts Key Questions about New Covid Influx on the Border
Well, the Madison County Health Board has mandated it and it's gone to the State health officer for ratification, so it could be in force early next week...
Maybe this helps explain the lower death rates
www.cnn.com
New form of coronavirus spreads faster, but doesn't make people sicker, new study says
The coronavirus pandemic has brought countries to a standstill. In many places, as countries reopen, Covid-19 cases are on the rise. Follow here for the latest.
Quote:Maybe this helps explain the lower death rates
New form of coronavirus spreads faster, but doesn't make people sicker, new study says
The coronavirus pandemic has brought countries to a standstill. In many places, as countries reopen, Covid-19 cases are on the rise. Follow here for the latest.
“Interestingly, we did not find evidence of G614 impact on disease severity.”
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The New York Times has an article that was updated recently that addresses this. Noticed that I said “some.” I agree that a bunch of Texans with the “mah rights” mindset have set Texas back with their non masks wearing ways, but you can’t discount all the factors including bar hoppers, stupid coaches conducting practices then having everyone huddle up at the end (I witnessed this first hand while walking in the park), and immigration.
Coronavirus Jumps the Border, Overwhelming Hospitals in California (Published 2020)
Hospitals are airlifting patients to facilities hundreds of miles away to handle an influx of Americans and U.S. green card holders sickened in Mexico.www.nytimes.com
This story is totally different than the one you posted before. The NY Times makes it clear that these are American citizens and legal residents coming back from Mexico. The other article suggested that illegal immigrants were sneaking into America and taking beds away from Americans. The purpose of that article was to deflect, pointing toward this expressed question:
Are covid-infected Mexican and Central American citizens or others, with no legal status, illegally crossing the border to take beds and care — at U.S. taxpayer expense — that American citizens suffered terrible economic lock downs to free up for Americans?
Hydroxychloroquine Halves Death Rate for Hospitalized COVID Patients in New Study
When President Trump began taking the drug as a way to prevent him from contracting COVID-19, the mainstream media and Democrats mocked him.
www.westernjournal.com
Hydroxychloroquine Halves Death Rate for Hospitalized COVID Patients in New Study
When President Trump began taking the drug as a way to prevent him from contracting COVID-19, the mainstream media and Democrats mocked him.
Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts | CNN
Hydroxychloroquine helped Covid-19 patients, a study in Detroit found.
www.cnn.com
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"Finally, concomitant steroid use in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine was more than double the non-treated group. This is relevant considering the recent RECOVERY trial that showed a mortality benefit with dexamethasone." The steroid dexamethasone can reduce inflammation in seriously ill patients.
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The bolded is probably the most important line in the article, but this is also important:
Rosenberg also pointed out that the Detroit paper excluded 267 patients -- nearly 10% of the study population -- who had not yet been discharged from the hospital.
IOW, the study has some weak points.
It may be worth doing more studies. I'm not convinced for or against at this point but the studies have so far not been overwhelmingly favorable. The one preprint study that showed harm was withdrawn when the database provider refused to release the raw data for verification.
It is profound to me that this far into this global pandemic with it literally ablaze in the United States there is no voice within the CDC providing guidance on treatment protocols on a national basis. From a practical standpoint the life or death of infected individuals depends on the location of testing and treatment. There literally should be no question that this crisis has been, and still is, being fumbled incredibly badly at the national level requiring reexamination of every position within the CDC and of course the executive branch. Then there is WHO??? Count me as completely dismayed at where we sit as a nation today.Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts | CNN
Hydroxychloroquine helped Covid-19 patients, a study in Detroit found.
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"Finally, concomitant steroid use in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine was more than double the non-treated group. This is relevant considering the recent RECOVERY trial that showed a mortality benefit with dexamethasone." The steroid dexamethasone can reduce inflammation in seriously ill patients.
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The bolded is probably the most important line in the article, but this is also important:
Rosenberg also pointed out that the Detroit paper excluded 267 patients -- nearly 10% of the study population -- who had not yet been discharged from the hospital.
IOW, the study has some weak points.
It may be worth doing more studies. I'm not convinced for or against at this point but the studies have so far not been overwhelmingly favorable. The one preprint study that showed harm was withdrawn when the database provider refused to release the raw data for verification.
This is so startling, I did an independent Google on the article to make sure it wasn't fake...
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