Dark Brandon’s Policies Pt VI

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This is an interesting expenditure of political capital to say the least. A lot of commentators are expecting this to be challenged, but I’m not so sure. For all we know, Trump has already started a list of “innocent” people he knows he will have to pardon four years from today.
 

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This is an interesting expenditure of political capital to say the least. A lot of commentators are expecting this to be challenged, but I’m not so sure. For all we know, Trump has already started a list of “innocent” people he knows he will have to pardon four years from today.
I'm sure any list of Trump's would require quotation marks around the word innocent. Fortunately, that's not the case for those pardoned this morning.
 
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Biden Pardons 5 Members of His Family in Final Minutes in Office
Mr. Biden emphasized that he did not believe his family did anything wrong, but he feared political attacks by Donald J. Trump.

Mr. Biden’s action pardoned James B. Biden, his brother; Sara Jones Biden, James’s wife; Valerie Biden Owens, Mr. Biden’s sister; John T. Owens, Ms. Owens’s husband; and Francis W. Biden, Mr. Biden’s brother.
 
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This is an interesting expenditure of political capital to say the least. A lot of commentators are expecting this to be challenged, but I’m not so sure. For all we know, Trump has already started a list of “innocent” people he knows he will have to pardon four years from today.
There's no political capital required--the pardon authority is wholly vested in the president. And even if it did, it's not like Biden needs to save any capital at this point.

And what would be the basis for a challenge?
 

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I'm sure any list of Trump's would require quotation marks around the word innocent. Fortunately, that's not the case for those pardoned this morning.
Oh? And how do we know that? No investigation has taken place, so at best this is hopeful assumption. These people have lost all 5th Amendment protections because of this and they can still be called before the grand jury or congressional committee.
 

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There's no political capital required--the pardon authority is wholly vested in the president. And even if it did, it's not like Biden needs to save any capital at this point.

And what would be the basis for a challenge?
The only thing I can think of is that this hasn’t ever been brought before SCOTUS (that I know of.)

And here’s one for the board lawyers: would the recent SCOTUS ruling regarding presidential immunity mean Nixon couldn’t have been impeached? I’m thinking yes, but that’s just an opinion.
 

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Mr. Biden emphasized that he did not believe his family did anything wrong, but he feared political attacks by Donald J. Trump.
So he’s protecting his family from the law fare we’ve been assured by the establishment isn’t actually a thing in these United States? Interesting.
 

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Oh? And how do we know that? No investigation has taken place, so at best this is hopeful assumption. These people have lost all 5th Amendment protections because of this and they can still be called before the grand jury or congressional committee.
Should evidence be presented that shows otherwise, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. I look forward to their testimony.
How do you feel about possible pardons for those convicted of crimes committed on January 6?
 

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So he’s protecting his family from the law fare we’ve been assured by the establishment isn’t actually a thing in these United States? Interesting.
It speaks volumes about the level of fear Trump and his supporters have brought about regarding political prosecution. Republicans have made no secret about their desire to put in jail (or worse) those who dared to cross Trump.
 
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Should evidence be presented that shows otherwise, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. I look forward to their testimony.
How do you feel about possible pardons for those convicted of crimes committed on January 6?
I’m against mass pardons, period. Every J-sixer should have his or her case reviewed individually. Whether in the street or the capitol, I do not like rioting and it should be punished within equal application of the law.
 
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Innocent people were pardoned this morning and I expect guilty people to be pardoned this afternoon.
Research Fauci. When the US made a law banning certain research into viruses, etc, he bypassed those laws to funnel millions into the Wuhan lab. Then when covid got out, there are plenty of emails, etc showing him leading a cover up, So he is partially responsible for tens of thousands of deaths. Interesting that you consider that innocent, and not worthy of at least an investigation.
 
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It speaks volumes about the level of fear Trump and his supporters have brought about regarding political prosecution. Republicans have made no secret about their desire to put in jail (or worse) those who dared to cross Trump.
Agreed, but the idea that Dems are any better is absurd. Law fare is real; we’ve been seeing it for years. Either we acknowledge the danger this poses from both sides or we don’t and deal with the consequences.
 

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Research Fauci. When the US made a law banning certain research into viruses, etc, he bypassed those laws to funnel millions into the Wuhan lab. Then when covid got out, there are plenty of emails, etc showing him leading a cover up, So he is partially responsible for tens of thousands of deaths. Interesting that you consider that innocent, and not worthy of at least an investigation.
That's very interesting. I'd appreciate it if you'd provide the links of the research and facts to which you refer.
 
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