This is a quote from one of the live updateS in the NYT. It struck me as funny.
Decline of the G.O.P VII
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Their end game. This is nothing but a power move.
Adam Kinzinger asking a similar question.
The only arms Gaetz needs to be around is someone holding a pistol to his head.
10 minutes after Crenshaw goes on the radio and calls the 20 terrorists, Biggs retweets it.
Man, they’ve been fed the red meat for so long, they don’t even realize the hand is empty and they’ve started gnawing on their own fingers
Guess Georgie found a friend from Georgia
It appears the record for Speaker voting is 133 rounds. Not sure I can handle that much popcorn.
What if six Democrats voted for McCarthy, upon certain conditions...
[r.e.m. twitter]different times, great song (exhuming mccarthy)
What conditions could they ask that wouldn't alienate some of 202 current Republicans?
What if six Democrats voted for McCarthy, upon certain conditions...
Here are my thoughts on this: I'm torn in several directions, and I feel like I'm almost obligated to support "the evil of two lessers" here while smugly chuckling at the laughable level of disorganization that is the GOP now.
1) Watching McCarthy maybe not get Speaker is poetic justice.
I had little idea who he even was, didn't know anything at all about the whole Paul Ryan in his place fiasco, I didn't keep up with it THAT much - plus when Boehner resigned, I was going through my divorce which had my attention diverted elsewhere.
But his actions of jettisoning Liz Cheney to kowtow to Maximum Moron, his embrace of Stefanik, and his refusal to bring the GOP caucus in line and say, "Look, whatever anyone wants to think, Biden won, that's it" show an amazing lack of spine. While I understand politics isn't for idealists - and it's hard to tell the difference between selling out and compromise - "hey look, the same ballot that elected Biden helped us pick up seats" is not irrational.
I've always been bothered by the overly ambitious for office. And yeah, I know every office seeker has SOME ambition, but he passed the point of non-acceptability a long time ago. He COULD have dropped the anvil on Trump's head - and I will never understand why he didn't understand basic politics. In the long run, voters may reject in emotion principle but later on they'll come back to it, too.
2) If they get McCarthy's head on their wall...what next?
That's the bigger problem it seems to me. There's an imprecise parallel here with the 1968 anti-war movement. I say imprecise because the major difference here in terms of WHAT THEY WANTED is that the anti-war movement had a specific goal in mind: get out of Vietnam. But there are some similarities. They wanted Johnson gone, he stepped aside. Yes, RFK was murdered, but the "movement" was splintered between (here's an irony for you) McCarthy (Eugene) and RFK prior to the assassination. After the assassination, you still had "well if our guy can't get it, your guy can't get it, either!" Who won? Humphrey (admittedly - probably inevitable under the old rules). And guess what? After throwing Johnson overboard and failing to coalesce behind McCarthy, they got LBJ's VP as the lead candidate - and they went after him, too. In the end, he lost by less than a point, and while it's a fool's errand to point to any one "that's why he lost", not being able to hold his base was a major issue - and the base was simply ornery while having an objective in mind but no idea how to reach it.
That - to me - is the bigger problem here. Sure, they may claim (Kevin) McCarthy's head for their wall and part of me is even happy to see it. But who's next? There doesn't seem to be ANY plan for "okay, after we kill the king, who's going to run the country?" And guess what? If the Angry 19 nominate some extremist idiot, the "more responsible" (by comparison anyway) members of the GOP are liable to say, "Well, you destroyed OUR candidate so we're destroying YOURS!"
3) This comedy only works just so long as there's no crisis.
God forbid but another 9/11 or 2008 market crash or something happening will only exacerbate this nonsense.
4) Who is the real "RINO"?
Somewhere along the way, Trump became the dictionary for defining words, and being a RINO is apparently a serious sin. Never mind that Trump's 19th century economics and 18th century populism wouldn't have made the cut even in the Bizarro world of the Gingrich 1990s.
If I'm anything but a Republican right now, I'm ambivalent. I mean, I'm laughing my tail off that the party has gone full Brexit and can't organize a two-car funeral...but this may have serious consequences if something bad happens. It's almost like reliving Trump getting elected - it was sheer hilarity to watch Hillary's lifelong dream crumble but not at the cost of getting Cheeto Jeezus as leader for four years.
1) Watching McCarthy maybe not get Speaker is poetic justice.
I had little idea who he even was, didn't know anything at all about the whole Paul Ryan in his place fiasco, I didn't keep up with it THAT much - plus when Boehner resigned, I was going through my divorce which had my attention diverted elsewhere.
But his actions of jettisoning Liz Cheney to kowtow to Maximum Moron, his embrace of Stefanik, and his refusal to bring the GOP caucus in line and say, "Look, whatever anyone wants to think, Biden won, that's it" show an amazing lack of spine. While I understand politics isn't for idealists - and it's hard to tell the difference between selling out and compromise - "hey look, the same ballot that elected Biden helped us pick up seats" is not irrational.
I've always been bothered by the overly ambitious for office. And yeah, I know every office seeker has SOME ambition, but he passed the point of non-acceptability a long time ago. He COULD have dropped the anvil on Trump's head - and I will never understand why he didn't understand basic politics. In the long run, voters may reject in emotion principle but later on they'll come back to it, too.
2) If they get McCarthy's head on their wall...what next?
That's the bigger problem it seems to me. There's an imprecise parallel here with the 1968 anti-war movement. I say imprecise because the major difference here in terms of WHAT THEY WANTED is that the anti-war movement had a specific goal in mind: get out of Vietnam. But there are some similarities. They wanted Johnson gone, he stepped aside. Yes, RFK was murdered, but the "movement" was splintered between (here's an irony for you) McCarthy (Eugene) and RFK prior to the assassination. After the assassination, you still had "well if our guy can't get it, your guy can't get it, either!" Who won? Humphrey (admittedly - probably inevitable under the old rules). And guess what? After throwing Johnson overboard and failing to coalesce behind McCarthy, they got LBJ's VP as the lead candidate - and they went after him, too. In the end, he lost by less than a point, and while it's a fool's errand to point to any one "that's why he lost", not being able to hold his base was a major issue - and the base was simply ornery while having an objective in mind but no idea how to reach it.
That - to me - is the bigger problem here. Sure, they may claim (Kevin) McCarthy's head for their wall and part of me is even happy to see it. But who's next? There doesn't seem to be ANY plan for "okay, after we kill the king, who's going to run the country?" And guess what? If the Angry 19 nominate some extremist idiot, the "more responsible" (by comparison anyway) members of the GOP are liable to say, "Well, you destroyed OUR candidate so we're destroying YOURS!"
3) This comedy only works just so long as there's no crisis.
God forbid but another 9/11 or 2008 market crash or something happening will only exacerbate this nonsense.
4) Who is the real "RINO"?
Somewhere along the way, Trump became the dictionary for defining words, and being a RINO is apparently a serious sin. Never mind that Trump's 19th century economics and 18th century populism wouldn't have made the cut even in the Bizarro world of the Gingrich 1990s.
If I'm anything but a Republican right now, I'm ambivalent. I mean, I'm laughing my tail off that the party has gone full Brexit and can't organize a two-car funeral...but this may have serious consequences if something bad happens. It's almost like reliving Trump getting elected - it was sheer hilarity to watch Hillary's lifelong dream crumble but not at the cost of getting Cheeto Jeezus as leader for four years.
After a few more days of this Kabuki theater, Scalise will ride in on his white horse and it will all be over.
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