Fair Pay to Play Act Signed into Law in CA

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Note: I'm really trying to not be political about this but it is really hard because it is kinda extrinsically tied to what we should consider basic rights a person has in the market. I think the NCAA has greatly overstepped their bounds and have for generations w/r/t this specific, narrow issue. The "are they laborers entitled to greater compensation?" argument is much more complicated and frankly the schools do give several forms of compensation to the student athlete such as cost of living adjustments, stipends, subsistence, housing, and tuition.
Hey, I'm all for it - I guarantee it will simply let the rich get richer wrt premier talent. The disparity between the Alabamas, Georgias, and Clempsons and the rest of the NCAA will only grow.

Win / win.
 

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you speak like my brother-in-law who thinks men never landed on the moon and 911 was an inside job.

Here's a solution you and I could probably agree with, remove the age limitation to the NFL, just let them go straight for the paycheck, Let the NFL expand their taxi squad to accommodate a few extra developmental players and then the "normal" players can do it the old fashioned way and get a degree while they play.

And for those who say they are not physically ready.... you're just not paying attention. These guys are coming out of HS ready.
I don't think the way this system developed was necessarily designed or intentional but because it was undesigned from the outset - not seeing how this sport would develop in terms of television revenue - the result has been one that benefits the powerful. I agree. The NFL should be forced to develop the talent and college should just be for people who want to get an education while playing a sport they love. Instead they're pushing the development onto the colleges because the injury risk is so high in this sport they don't want to risk injuring an asset before they're ready to play in the big leagues.

Edit: And note, now colleges are getting heat to compensate these players because billionaire owners in the NFL don't want to take on this developmental onus.
 
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I reckon it would probably be University of Washington getting the boon of Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos paid commercial representation though. ;)
 

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Anything to cut out the bagmen, I’m all for it.

It will also hopefully cut out instances where players get suspended for making money off their autograph which is the biggest load of garbage ever.
 

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This will destroy college football. It will make the team salary disparity in MLB look like a level playing field. These endorsement deals will be the death of the sport as we know it. Phil Knight will be able to buy championships. He will just do multi million dollar deals with players to use their "likeness". That will just about wrap it up as a sport. I don't want to see it happen because I love college football, and I don't want to see it change. I also have a libertarian bent to me as well. This means I get that the player's should be able to profit, but this type of profit will cause the end of the sport as we know it. You will have to have Nike, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft level boosters to give these endorsement deals. That destroys everything. Enjoy the next couple of years, and then prepare for massive change and possibly the end of the sport totally. I see a European soccer style developmental system coming. It's been a good run boys. Savor what we have now.
 

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This will be tested in the courts, but I expect it to stand up. If other states do not get on board, CA schools will gain a huge recruiting advantage in a few years. Will other states join CA and force the NCAA to capitulate?

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/27735933/california-defies-ncaa-gov-gavin-newsom-signs-law-fair-pay-play-act
Won't be a recruiting advantage if the PAC12 cannot ever play in a Championship Game....

I think it will be popcorn worthy.....from a "watch and see" standpoint
 

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Won't be a recruiting advantage if the PAC12 cannot ever play in a Championship Game....

I think it will be popcorn worthy.....from a "watch and see" standpoint
That won't happen. The NCAA is already talking about ways to make this work within their framework. This just forces their hand. Why? Because other states are already working on similar laws. The only way the NCAA maintains any control is to get out in front of the tidal wave.
 

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And like the post above, in the political climate in which we live, someone will cry unfair. The poor kid that doesn’t have a deal for his or her likeness will claim some type of discrimination. Maybe the coach only plays the “paid” athletes undermining any chance the “unpaid” player has at making it to the next level. It will happen.


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People above acted like I can't read, but that's the sort of thing I was talking about. What about the women's rowing athlete that feels like she's being denied a sponsorship because a university doesn't provide the same support, marketing, etc. That's where the lawsuits will come in.
 

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The intent of the law is a good one. But as things typically go when the government gets involved in things it shouldn’t, I fear the consequences of it won’t be.

I think of the case out of USF a couple of years ago where a stud kicker had a viral YouTube channel and was supporting his family with money made off ads he was personally selling. The NCAA gave him an ultimatum to either stop making money off his videos or be ruled ineligible. That’s the kind of garbage that needs to be eliminated.

The NCAA has had 20 years to figure out a proper system of compensation, but they are so drunk on their own power that it can’t see the forest through the trees. For that reason, the ruling is a good one.

Ultimately though, there’s a good chance college football as we know it likely ceases to exist unless this passes at a federal level. Some states will embrace the rule change. (I expect NY and NC to be next to pass similar laws soon) Others, like Wisconsin did today, will come out and condemn the ruling and fight with the NCAA against passing it. This leaves two classes of football refusing to schedule each other until they finally dissolve into two separate leagues, with the unpaid league looking more like D2 or D3 talent levels.

There will be the good with the bad. I’m hoping the NCAA agrees to work with the legislation, but still won’t allow kids to sign with agents, and also strictly monitor whether endorsements are coming from a personal level or from a school level. If everyone plays by the same rules, there’s no reason why this can’t work. However If the NCAA chooses to dig their heels in, they will go down with their own ship, and likely take the entire sport down with them.


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Hey, I'm all for it - I guarantee it will simply let the rich get richer wrt premier talent. The disparity between the Alabamas, Georgias, and Clempsons and the rest of the NCAA will only grow.

Win / win.
Until the politicians see that happening and get involved again to invoke college sports socialism so that “fairness and equity” happen by imposing, in effect, a sports wealth tax on the haves to prop up the have nots. It’s never ending. :D

Power 5 + 1 need to abandon the NCAA and do their own thing and let the wannabes shrivel on the vine.


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Until the politicians see that happening and get involved again to invoke college sports socialism so that “fairness and equity” happen by imposing, in effect, a sports wealth tax on the haves to prop up the have nots. It’s never ending. :D

Power 5 + 1 need to abandon the NCAA and do their own thing and let the wannabes shrivel on the vine.


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Been a believer of this for a long time. The fix for the collegiate system is just to let the big boys not exist within it then let UAB, Troy, and Jax St do their thing like the old days.
 

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So, this will make it illegal for CA schools to prevent kids from selling their image but, currently, it is still an NCAA violation. Willi the NCAA declare any player who signs an endorsement deal ineligible?

This gives the players the right to sell their image but, the player has no right to sell the image of the school. Honestly, how many people would pay for an autographed picture of Tua in a generic jersey. As a Bama fan, I don't want it without the Bama jersey. It's the school's logo and colors that give many of these players their true value so, if they aren't aloud to make money off of the school's image what real value do they have? Say a kid signs with Adidas during recruiting. If that player sings with a Nike school, the player will not be aloud to where Adidas stuff on the field. What value is that for Adidas? Also, Adidas would not be able to use the players image in any of the schools uniforms and logos because, their deal is with the kid, not the school.
 

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So, this will make it illegal for CA schools to prevent kids from selling their image but, currently, it is still an NCAA violation. Willi the NCAA declare any player who signs an endorsement deal ineligible?

This gives the players the right to sell their image but, the player has no right to sell the image of the school. Honestly, how many people would pay for an autographed picture of Tua in a generic jersey. As a Bama fan, I don't want it without the Bama jersey. It's the school's logo and colors that give many of these players their true value so, if they aren't aloud to make money off of the school's image what real value do they have? Say a kid signs with Adidas during recruiting. If that player sings with a Nike school, the player will not be aloud to where Adidas stuff on the field. What value is that for Adidas? Also, Adidas would not be able to use the players image in any of the schools uniforms and logos because, their deal is with the kid, not the school.
The lawyers (no offense Earle LOL!) and sports agents are already salivating.
 

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I've seen people say this before but I think you're kidding yourself if you think these players have no value outside the context of their schools.
 

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I personally do not care one way or the other, but they (the schools and the players) will sink or swim on their own. I have been gradually losing interest in college football over the last few seasons with the exception of some of the SEC programs. If this is adopted nationwide and,it probably will, college football will go back to what it was, teams of slow, white NR-2 star recruits. Which doesn't bother me because it will certainly level the playing field. Kind of like Columba vs Brown slugging it out on a crisp, chilly, autumnal afternoon.
 

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So, this will make it illegal for CA schools to prevent kids from selling their image but, currently, it is still an NCAA violation. Willi the NCAA declare any player who signs an endorsement deal ineligible?

This gives the players the right to sell their image but, the player has no right to sell the image of the school. Honestly, how many people would pay for an autographed picture of Tua in a generic jersey. As a Bama fan, I don't want it without the Bama jersey. It's the school's logo and colors that give many of these players their true value so, if they aren't aloud to make money off of the school's image what real value do they have? Say a kid signs with Adidas during recruiting. If that player sings with a Nike school, the player will not be aloud to where Adidas stuff on the field. What value is that for Adidas? Also, Adidas would not be able to use the players image in any of the schools uniforms and logos because, their deal is with the kid, not the school.
Car dealerships, tire dealers and many retailers will be lining up to pay players big bucks to come to their place of business and sign autographs. All major schools will organize this (unofficially of course).
 

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People above acted like I can't read, but that's the sort of thing I was talking about. What about the women's rowing athlete that feels like she's being denied a sponsorship because a university doesn't provide the same support, marketing, etc. That's where the lawsuits will come in.
I don't think that you understand that law at all.
 

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So, this will make it illegal for CA schools to prevent kids from selling their image but, currently, it is still an NCAA violation. Willi the NCAA declare any player who signs an endorsement deal ineligible?

This gives the players the right to sell their image but, the player has no right to sell the image of the school. Honestly, how many people would pay for an autographed picture of Tua in a generic jersey. As a Bama fan, I don't want it without the Bama jersey. It's the school's logo and colors that give many of these players their true value so, if they aren't aloud to make money off of the school's image what real value do they have? Say a kid signs with Adidas during recruiting. If that player sings with a Nike school, the player will not be aloud to where Adidas stuff on the field. What value is that for Adidas? Also, Adidas would not be able to use the players image in any of the schools uniforms and logos because, their deal is with the kid, not the school.
Well the problem is that the NCAA has banned CA from championship competition in all sports if this was passed. So this is going to be a monumental ruling one way or the other given the fact that CA schools are highly competitive in other sports.

This isn’t going to be just about CA.
 

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Had the NCAA simply allowed scholarship athletes a stipend to cover extra expenses this would be a non-issue. That said, is there anything California can't screw up?
 

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