Florida hires Louisiana's Billy Napier as new Head Football Coach

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Amen to this...I am still amazed at how many "fans" have their entire ego dependent upon 18-21 year olds who will never know their name. Enjoy the game...but the game does not determine our sense of self.
Yea, but by golly my 18-21 yo boys are better than yourun
 
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Alabama really obscures the blue chip data because of how well Saban recruits (there's also a little bit of a loop where once Saban recruits someone the services take a closer look at the recruit and might move them up). With no Alabama it would make it seem like 50-60% is probably adequate.

What it does demonstrate though is you do need some good recruits to win, it can't all be coaching them up.
only 2 teams since 2010 have had below a 60% and won a national title. There are about 8 teams that Vegas gives a shot at winning the national title this season. it is no coincidence they all have blue chip ratios above 60 percent

alabama 89
Ohio state 80
Georgia 77
Oklahoma 71
TAMU 70
Texas 68
LSU 66
Clemson 63
ND 62
 

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only 2 teams since 2010 have had below a 60% and won a national title. There are about 8 teams that Vegas gives a shot at winning the national title this season. it is no coincidence they all have blue chip ratios above 60 percent

alabama 89
Ohio state 80
Georgia 77
Oklahoma 71
TAMU 70
Texas 68
LSU 66
Clemson 63
ND 62
5 of those title teams are Alabama though. It would be interesting to see the blue chip ratings of both teams in that championship game, but I would argue that there's not that much difference between 50 or 60, clearly not every team needs to be Alabama level or blue chips to win a championship. 6 teams on that list are not Alabama, and their average was 58... Also, interesting use of since 2010 as well because the list includes 2010 and included 3 schools below 60%, heh

As to the favorites thing, isn't that kind of obvious? The team with the most talent going in is going to be a favorite, that's kind of self explanatory. Some of those teams with lower blue chip rating did kind of come out of nowhere, and that does happen from time to time.

I'm not arguing blue chips don't matter, though, I said it matters but Saban just makes it look like it matters more than it actually does. Alabama doesn't just win all those championships because of the recruits, it's what he does with those recruits that matter the most. I can also show data to demonstrate that Alabama does better with 5 stars than pretty much any other school, and that other schools absolutely loaded with blue chips have not enjoyed near that level of success...

What was Texas' blue chip rating last year, when they went 5-7 and got beat at home by Kansas?
 
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5 of those title teams are Alabama though. It would be interesting to see the blue chip ratings of both teams in that championship game, but I would argue that there's not that much difference between 50 or 60, clearly not every team needs to be Alabama level or blue chips to win a championship. 6 teams on that list are not Alabama, and their average was 58... Also, interesting use of since 2010 as well because the list includes 2010 and included 3 schools below 60%, heh

As to the favorites thing, isn't that kind of obvious? The team with the most talent going in is going to be a favorite, that's kind of self explanatory. Some of those teams with lower blue chip rating did kind of come out of nowhere, and that does happen from time to time.

I'm not arguing blue chips don't matter, though, I said it matters but Saban just makes it look like it matters more than it actually does. Alabama doesn't just win all those championships because of the recruits, it's what he does with those recruits that matter the most. I can also show data to demonstrate that Alabama does better with 5 stars than pretty much any other school, and that other schools absolutely loaded with blue chips have not enjoyed near that level of success...

What was Texas' blue chip rating last year, when they went 5-7 and got beat at home by Kansas?
im not saying Saban doesn’t develop recruits. I’m not saying a high blue chip ratio means you win. What I am saying is that the numbers back up that a team can’t win a national title without top recruits.
 
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Baylor is picked to win the Big 12 -- how many blue chippers do they have??

That being said, you need a high percentage of better athletes in order to win at the highest level. Common sense...
Vegas has Oklahoma at +200, Texas at +275, Oklahoma state at +550 and Baylor at +600 to win big 12
 

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Baiting the enormous herd of “Big Hats” into dropping more “Texas Money” on their team by stroking their “Ten-Gallon-Egos”…..?
I saw that Texas lost two starters after their first scrimmage. This is a big deal and should be devastating to them.

Neyor had 878 yards and 12 TDs for Wyoming last year. Out for the season.
Angilau had 12 starts last year and was the most experienced Texas offensive lineman. Also out for the season.

The train-wreck that is Agiye Hall is one candidate to replace Neyor but he's suspended indefinitely. So, Texas has some issues to deal with now. That money bet on Texas might not seem like such a great investment after the Alabama game.

To get further off topic, this could also blunt their NIL momentum a bit. If Sark struggles his second year there those big hats are not just going to spend less money in Vegas...

To get back on topic, almost... I saw that FSU and Florida are both unranked for the first time since 1974.
 

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only 2 teams since 2010 have had below a 60% and won a national title. There are about 8 teams that Vegas gives a shot at winning the national title this season. it is no coincidence they all have blue chip ratios above 60 percent

alabama 89
Ohio state 80
Georgia 77
Oklahoma 71
TAMU 70
Texas 68
LSU 66
Clemson 63
ND 62
Players matter
 
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could Saban turn vanderbilts program into a national title contender with his staff and an open check book? I think he could. Could Saban be a national title contender with vanderbilts current roster? No

this isn’t to say anything negative against Saban because that’s not remotely the case. It’s just agreeing with the statement that players matter
 

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could Saban turn vanderbilts program into a national title contender with his staff and an open check book? I think he could. Could Saban be a national title contender with vanderbilts current roster? No

this isn’t to say anything negative against Saban because that’s not remotely the case. It’s just agreeing with the statement that players matter
That's what I'm saying, players matter, even with Saban. There is a point where great coaching reaches its limit with a player limited in talent, especially elite talent.
 
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could Saban turn vanderbilts program into a national title contender with his staff and an open check book? I think he could. Could Saban be a national title contender with vanderbilts current roster? No

this isn’t to say anything negative against Saban because that’s not remotely the case. It’s just agreeing with the statement that players matter
I'm curious about his blue chip rating in 2009. Remember Alabama already was a contender in 2008, despite mostly working with Shula era players.

Saban helped turned low 4/high 3 star guys like Cody and Ingram into stars. He took Arenas from a niche player who was an obscure 3 star return specialist into an NFL defensive back. McElroy was a 3 start backup plan recruit by Shula, so on so forth.

So obviously he can't win a championship with 0 talent, but his turn around at Alabama was pretty much immediate. The only reason 2007 didn't go better was because of textbook nonsense he had nothing to do with and predated him. Alabama lost 4 close games with 5 suspended players including 3 future NFL draft picks.

I think everyone knows you need talent to win, but if I have to choose between Saban with a bunch of 3 stars of his choosing and Charlie Strong with a bunch of 4 stars of his choosing... my money is on Saban.
 

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Billy Napier and the Gators invited a full crew of SEC referees to officiate Friday’s practice and Saturday’s scrimmage.

“They were at practice the entire day Friday, they sat in meetings Friday, and then they officiated the scrimmage for us and called it just like they would call it on game day,” Napier said. “I think we benefited from that two-day period and certainly very thankful for the league to create that opportunity.”

The referees were not just there to officiate practice and the scrimmage. Napier wanted the players to learn something from the crew that’s going to be calling their games.

“We had an instructional session, education session, with them as our team speaker on Friday,” Napier said.

Napier has placed an emphasis on limiting penalties and undisciplined plays since stepping foot in Gainesville, and it seems to be working. The Gators just had a handful of penalties during their scrimmage Saturday. Four of the penalties were technical and the other was undisciplined.
 
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