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I think remote learning and self-paced study will be the future of education in secondary education maybe even high school. Most of what you learn in college classes can be learned/taught much faster than a traditional semester classroom setting.

Where we miss the boat imo is smaller classes in pre-k, elementary, and middle school stages with learning tracks according to ability.

The value of college would be better realized if focused on the master, phD, professional, and research levels of learning incorporating applied learning methods and apprenticeships in a chosen field.

I wouldn’t be surprised if classrooms move totally virtual in much of the country or go to a blended program.
 

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Not only is FL short in teachers, now a school district is having to decline a donation of DICTIONARIES!
Because of DeSantis’s new education laws all reading materials must be selected and approved by a “certified media education specialist” whatever the hell that is.
So this school district has received THOUSANDS of donated dictionaries over the years, but now has had to decline them for the time being.
I’m so sick of this dude

 

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Great read here

“Republican politicians have learned that they can rally their base through bad-faith misrepresentations of school culture, which they depict as out of control with so-called “woke” ideology (which we wrote about in Steady here) and the bogeyman of “critical race theory,” which they totally mischaracterize — and which is taught in almost none of the schools where they have made it an issue. Nearly every parent wants good schools for their children, and Republicans are playing to fears they have carefully fanned to lure in voters even beyond their base. This was notably true in the last gubernatorial election in Virginia. Meanwhile, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has cultivated his political reputation (and a likely presidential run) by attacking professional educators — and indeed the very idea that schools should be welcoming, tolerant learning environments.”
 

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I think remote learning and self-paced study will be the future of education in secondary education maybe even high school. Most of what you learn in college classes can be learned/taught much faster than a traditional semester classroom setting.

Where we miss the boat imo is smaller classes in pre-k, elementary, and middle school stages with learning tracks according to ability.

The value of college would be better realized if focused on the master, phD, professional, and research levels of learning incorporating applied learning methods and apprenticeships in a chosen field.
Interesting take. I agree that the transfer of knowledge can happen faster than in a traditional classroom. I also think that college isn’t about only the transfer of knowledge….it’s also about working in teams, getting to know and having to work with people from backgrounds different from your own. And there are some areas of study that would be difficult or impossible to do remotely — theater and engineering, chemistry or physics labs, for example.

While the transfer of knowledge is the single most important thing, there’s more to college than just book learning.

We’re in wholehearted agreement with the middle point about learning tracks, The issue is they’re about impossible to implement from a political standpoint. You can, however, implement them in fact, if not in name.

I went to Tuscaloosa High School in the mid to late 1970s. Big school with almost 2,000 students. My graduating class was almost 600. This was before AP classes even existed, but we had Latin, Calculus, Chemistry, Physics, etc., etc. I even took a class called Comparative Anatomy (no, it had nothing to do with sex ed….get your mind out of the gutter) where we dissected animals of increasing complexity to understand what actually constitutes higher level development, and why.

The thing is, they were offered to everyone, but the students effectively put themselves on tracks — you saw the same kids in all of the harder classes, and very few not in the “academic” group.

Point of all that being, I think you can implement learning tracks without having that formal structure in place — you just have to offer the tough classes and not compromise on academic rigor. The kids will put themselves in tracks.

Regarding apprenticeships, we may be headed in that direction already. Lots of emphasis on internships (kinda sorta apprenticeship), and working in industry for class credit — lots of that kind of thing at the Mercedes plant outside of Tuscaloosa.

Good discussion.
 
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Interesting take. I agree that the transfer of knowledge can happen faster than in a traditional classroom. I also think that college isn’t about only the transfer of knowledge….it’s also about working in teams, getting to know and having to work with people from backgrounds different from your own. And there are some areas of study that would be difficult or impossible to do remotely — theater and engineering, chemistry or physics labs, for example.

While the transfer of knowledge is the single most important thing, there’s more to college than just book learning.

We’re in wholehearted agreement with the middle point about learning tracks, The issue is they’re about impossible to implement from a political standpoint. You can, however, implement them in fact, if not in name.

I went to Tuscaloosa High School in the mid to late 1970s. Big school with almost 2,000 students. My graduating class was almost 600. This was before AP classes even existed, but we had Latin, Calculus, Chemistry, Physics, etc., etc. I even took a class called Comparative Anatomy (no, it had nothing to do with sex ed….get your mind out of the gutter) where we dissected animals of increasing complexity to understand what actually constitutes higher level development, and why.

The thing is, they were offered to everyone, but the students effectively put themselves on tracks — you saw the same kids in all of the harder classes, and very few not in the “academic” group.

Point of all that being, I think you can implement learning tracks without having that formal structure in place — you just have to offer the tough classes and not compromise on academic rigor. The kids will put themselves in tracks.

Regarding apprenticeships, we may be headed in that direction already. Lots of emphasis on internships (kinda sorta apprenticeship), and working in industry for class credit — lots of that kind of thing at the Mercedes plant outside of Tuscaloosa.

Good discussion.
I’d like to see us adopt some sort of variation like this:
9 grade all students taking the same core classes, with chosen electives.
10th grade, students can opt for more advanced classes. End of year all students take a full range of academic, social and aptitude assessments to see where they are
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Based on those results, you have 2 separate paths for 11/12 grades. One track is trade/certificate program oriented and the other is college prep oriented.
 

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Point of all that being, I think you can implement learning tracks without having that formal structure in place — you just have to offer the tough classes and not compromise on academic rigor. The kids will put themselves in tracks.
Life is a team sport.
As for tracks, I like Germany, a lot. I like the order that German society fosters. One of the drawbacks of German passion for order is the way they differentiate school kids into educational tracks.
You take a standardized test (around 12 I think). Do poorly, and you get into the track for manual labor or a trade, or something similar, and they do not reassess later. If you are headed towards becoming a firefighter, they will train the crap out of you, but you can not later on get into the "doctor" track because you had a bad day on testing day.
To me, that is kind of sad.
 

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As for tracks, I like Germany, a lot. I like the order that German society fosters. One of the drawbacks of German passion for order is the way they differentiate school kids into educational tracks.
You take a standardized test (around 12 I think). Do poorly, and you get into the track for manual labor or a trade, or something similar, and they do not reassess later. If you are headed towards becoming a firefighter, they will train the crap out of you, but you can not later on get into the "doctor" track because you had a bad day on testing day.
To me, that is kind of sad.
"Life is a team sport."
You read my mind. I was thinking along the lines of school education is very individualistic, whereas most work education is team oriented.
 

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"With this report," added Burris, "the Heritage Foundation puts its values front and forward — that schooling should be a free-for-all marketplace where states spend the least possible on educating the future generation of Americans, with no regulations to preserve quality." It's no accident, Burris added, that Heritage's top two states, Florida and Arizona, were ranked as the worst on the Network for Public Education's own report card this year.
 
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"With this report," added Burris, "the Heritage Foundation puts its values front and forward — that schooling should be a free-for-all marketplace where states spend the least possible on educating the future generation of Americans, with no regulations to preserve quality." It's no accident, Burris added, that Heritage's top two states, Florida and Arizona, were ranked as the worst on the Network for Public Education's own report card this year.
The GOP loves the poorly educated - they are easier to control for profit.
 
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