News Article: Good luck dealing with a pandemic, depending on this administration...

[jthomas666]

Yes and it's speculation as evidenced by this part:

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So, for an analogy:

1. Trump removes engine from car.
2. Mechanics: "We don't think that car's gonna start."
3. Bazza: "That's just speculation".

 

[jthomas666]

Here's another piece that puts the situation into perspective.

For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is.

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Of course, as an editorial, it cannot contain any factual information.

 

[92tide]

Here's another piece that puts the situation into perspective.



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Of course, as an editorial, it cannot contain any factual information.

those public health "experts" are only experts at sucking off the government teat. it's great that they have finally been drained from the swamp to make way for trump's excellence

 

[NationalTitles18]

So, for an analogy:

1. Trump removes engine from car.
2. Mechanics: "We don't think that car's gonna start."
3. Bazza: "That's just speculation".

 

[Bazza]

So, for an analogy:

1. Trump removes engine from car.
2. Mechanics: "We don't think that car's gonna start."
3. Bazza: "That's just speculation".

Takes out the engine? That's absurd.

Since I'm a car guy - your analogy would be more accurate this way:

1. Trump changes out the car's seats from stock to custom
2. Media: "We think that car won't be as comfortable to ride in."
3. Certain TF posters here: "Oh there goes Trump again.......messing everything up. Now we don't have seats!"
4. Bazza: "How do you know without riding in it first?"

Or how about:

1. Bazza removes voice from his cable package and installs Magic Jack
2. Cost goes down $40/month and he now has telemarketer block feature
3. The uninformed and/or ignorant consumer continues using cable's bundle

 

[NationalTitles18]

Takes out the engine? That's absurd.

Since I'm a car guy - your analogy would be more accurate this way:

1. Trump changes out the car's seats from stock to custom
2. Media: we think that car won't be as comfortable to ride in
3. Bazza: "How do you know without riding in it first?"

Or how about:

1. Bazza removes voice from his cable package and installs Magic Jack
2. Cost goes down $40/month and he now has telemarketer block feature
3. The uninformed and/or ignorant consumer continues using cable's bundle

Yep. You're being obtuse. You just simply have no clue whatsoever and don't want to have one.

Trump cancelled the programming you want to see and removed the cable connections back at the office so you get nothing anyway - no phone and no TV. Now he has to take time to resume the programming and restring the cables. What would have taken a flip of a switch before now takes an amount of time that is not insignificant just to get the system moving and working again when you could have had your phone, cable, and internet all working for you much sooner. Except in this case it's not entertainment but lives that are at stake.

 

[chanson78]

Takes out the engine? That's absurd.

Since I'm a car guy - your analogy would be more accurate this way:

1. Trump changes out the car's seats from stock to custom
2. Media: "We think that car won't be as comfortable to ride in."
3. Certain TF posters here: "Oh there goes Trump again.......messing everything up. Now we don't have seats!"
4. Bazza: "How do you know without riding in it first?"

Or how about:

1. Bazza removes voice from his cable package and installs Magic Jack
2. Cost goes down $40/month and he now has telemarketer block feature
3. The uninformed and/or ignorant consumer continues using cable's bundle

You are being willfully disingenuous.

From this article: Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response

For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion.

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In the spring of 2018, the White House pushed Congress to cut funding for Obama-era disease security programs, proposing to eliminate $252 million in previously committed resources for rebuilding health systems in Ebola-ravaged Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea. Under fire from both sides of the aisle, President Donald Trump dropped the proposal to eliminate Ebola funds a month later. But other White House efforts included reducing $15 billion in national health spending and cutting the global disease-fighting operational budgets of the CDC, NSC, DHS, and HHS. And the government’s $30 million Complex Crises Fund was eliminated.

In May 2018, Trump ordered the NSC’s entire global health security unit shut down, calling for reassignment of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer and dissolution of his team inside the agency. The month before, then-White House National Security Advisor John Bolton pressured Ziemer’s DHS counterpart, Tom Bossert, to resign along with his team. Neither the NSC nor DHS epidemic teams have been replaced. The global health section of the CDC was so drastically cut in 2018 that much of its staff was laid off and the number of countries it was working in was reduced from 49 to merely 10. Meanwhile, throughout 2018, the U.S. Agency for International Development and its director, Mark Green, came repeatedly under fire from both the White House and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. And though Congress has so far managed to block Trump administration plans to cut the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps by 40 percent, the disease-fighting cadres have steadily eroded as retiring officers go unreplaced.

You are equating a cosmetic change (seats in a car) with getting rid of the guy who knows how to change out seats.

If you argument is that the CDC/WHO are wholly capable of handling this without input of the administration that is a different matter. Knowing this president, who is always the smartest guy in the room, there is zero chance that he was willing to let that happen. However he dismantled the chains of command and communication with anything related to health epidemics.

If you are going to try and debate something on the facts, quit dissembling and attempting to make everyone who brings up cogent points as if they are running around playing chicken little. These are significant issues. Just because you place all your faith in a leader who has done nothing to deserve it other than convince you that he knows what he is doing doesn't mean that everyone else is crazy for relying upon facts and smarter people's opinions and judgements to evaluate the status of a situation.

 

[Bazza]

Yep. You're being obtuse. You just simply have no clue whatsoever and don't want to have one.

Trump cancelled the programming you want to see and removed the cable connections back at the office so you get nothing anyway - no phone and no TV. Now he has to take time to resume the programming and restring the cables. What would have taken a flip of a switch before now takes an amount of time that is not insignificant just to get the system moving and working again when you could have had your phone, cable, and internet all working for you much sooner. Except in this case it's not entertainment but lives that are at stake.

Obviously we have two different opinions.

That's OK.

We'll see what happens.

 

[Go Bama]

Takes out the engine? That's absurd.

Since I'm a car guy - your analogy would be more accurate this way:

1. Trump changes out the car's seats from stock to custom
2. Media: "We think that car won't be as comfortable to ride in."
3. Certain TF posters here: "Oh there goes Trump again.......messing everything up. Now we don't have seats!"
4. Bazza: "How do you know without riding in it first?"

Or how about:

1. Bazza removes voice from his cable package and installs Magic Jack
2. Cost goes down $40/month and he now has telemarketer block feature
3. The uninformed and/or ignorant consumer continues using cable's bundle

Seriously???

 

[92tide]

You are being willfully disingenuous.

From this article: Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response



You are equating a cosmetic change (seats in a car) with getting rid of the guy who knows how to change out seats.

If you argument is that the CDC/WHO are wholly capable of handling this without input of the administration that is a different matter. Knowing this president, who is always the smartest guy in the room, there is zero chance that he was willing to let that happen. However he dismantled the chains of command and communication with anything related to health epidemics.

If you are going to try and debate something on the facts, quit dissembling and attempting to make everyone who brings up cogent points as if they are running around playing chicken little. These are significant issues. Just because you place all your faith in a leader who has done nothing to deserve it other than convince you that he knows what he is doing doesn't mean that everyone else is crazy for relying upon facts and smarter people's opinions and judgements to evaluate the status of a situation.

it doesn't matter. coronavirus is just a common cold. this is being blown out of proportion to make twitler look bad

 

[92tide]

Seriously???

you must be new here. please visit the new sealion exhibit

 

[NationalTitles18]

Obviously we have two different opinions.

That's OK.

We'll see what happens.

If your opinion were based on anything rational it would be different. It's not. You have chosen to ignore all evidence that goes contrary to your preconceived opinion, which is pretty much all the evidence there is.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

You guys just need to stop responding. Bazza's pro Trump agenda is beyond tiresome at this point and you guys are just fanning his flames.

 

[B1GTide]

it doesn't matter. coronavirus is just a common cold. this is being blown out of proportion to make twitler look bad

Rush actually said that.

 

[B1GTide]

If your opinion were based on anything rational it would be different. It's not. You have chosen to ignore all evidence that goes contrary to your preconceived opinion, which is pretty much all the evidence there is.

He doesn't have an opinion about things Trump. He is too jaded to see anything clearly enough to form one. What he has are prejudices.

 

[92tide]

You guys just need to stop responding. Bazza's pro Trump agenda is beyond tiresome at this point and you guys are just fanning his flames.

i generally agree with not feeding trolls. but this gaslighting is part of the normalization process to try to get folks to just shut up and enjoy the ride and it needs pushback

 

[92tide]

Rush actually said that.

yeah. i saw that yesterday. he's going to ride out his remaining time on earth on a wave of bile.

 

[Bazza]

Do you remember back on January 3 when we took out Soleimani? Much was said in the media (and on here) that this was a BIG mistake by Trump. That Iran would declare war on us - or some such.

At that time....I agreed this was a valid concern......I just wasn't so quick to buy into the "We're headed to war" narrative.

Dealing with this virus is also a valid concern.

Regardless of changes in our health infrastructure.....I just don't see any evidence yet that Trump has negatively impacted our ability to manage the virus here.

Those articles are based on someone's speculation and it's too early to know how things will end up.

 

[92tide]

Seriously???

apparently. yes, seriously

 

[jthomas666]

Takes out the engine? That's absurd.

Since I'm a car guy - your analogy would be more accurate this way:

1. Trump changes out the car's seats from stock to custom
2. Media: "We think that car won't be as comfortable to ride in."
3. Certain TF posters here: "Oh there goes Trump again.......messing everything up. Now we don't have seats!"
4. Bazza: "How do you know without riding in it first?"

Or how about:

1. Bazza removes voice from his cable package and installs Magic Jack
2. Cost goes down $40/month and he now has telemarketer block feature
3. The uninformed and/or ignorant consumer continues using cable's bundle

OK, since you're having trouble connecting dots...

1. Trump removes the nation's infrastructure for responding to pandemics, and keeps cutting the CDC's budget for good measure.
2. A bunch of experts in managing pandemics say that if a pandemic breaks out in the US, we will be an a very bad position to handle it, since the lack of infrastructure in leadership will prevent an quick response, which is critical in controlling pandemics.
3. Bazza: That's just speculation. If there's a pandemic and the US' ineffective response leads to the zombie apocalypse, then I'll admit that there may be a problem. Maybe.