Has Obama really been harmed by Rev. Wright?

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Barack Obama's Tuesday speech was obviously meant to appeal to his core left-wing base in an effort to reassure them in his effort to defeat Hillary. This is just my humble opinion, but I think Obama may have done more than enough to make sure he stays on-track to maintain the advantage in the race for the Dem nomination.

It's now becoming clear that Hillary is not the person who stands to gain from this whole brouhaha. She's already been accused by fellow Dems of recklessly playing the race card at a previous point in the race. There's just no way that she'll gain ground with left-wing voters by playing the race card wildly from here on out. She may well win Pennsylvania by a decent margin but everyone knows that a Pennsylvania victory would, at best, be a momentum-builder for her and not a clincher. When you take a hard look at the long-term prospects for the Dem race it still appears to be one where Obama is in a damn-good position to maintain his delegate lead right up to the convention. Hillary's best hope for the nomination still seems to lie in the long-shot of convincing Dem superdelegates to switch to her side by way of some back-room deal. Wright or no Wright, there is nothing about this scandal which will convince hardcore Democratic voters to switch from Obama to Hillary.

I think it's very fair to say that for all the national news hype of this story it's done very little to convince left-wing Dems to completely abandon Obama and go all-out for Hillary. No matter how many times this tale gets played on the evening news, I don't see it leading to any kind of big shift in the race for the Dem nomination. Maybe Hillary really can pull off some back-room deal to win at the convention but I can't imagine how she would do it by going full-bore to play the race card WITH DEMOCRATS. From a Democratic Party perspective, that just doesn't make sense. I think we're left with the probability that Obama is still the Dem favorite here and Hillary is still the underdog whose chances are less than favorable.

OK, let's assume that Obama weathers this storm well enough to beat Hillary. That still leaves us with the question of how he'll do in a head-to-head matchup with McCain. I still find it hard to believe that Rev. Wright would tip the general election to McCain.

McCain has never been a race-baiter. This isn't his turf. He's always been a guy who's made his name on national security and government spending matters. He's never played any race cards at any point in his political life. Do you REALLY expect to see a head-to-head matchup between Obama and McCain where McCain plays the race card willy-nilly throughout the summer and fall??? Is he going to spend his most important campaigning days talking about Rev. Wright? That would seem to be an incredible risk on his part. This isn't where John McCain comes from. I have a hard time believing that he'll stump on this issue. It just isn't what John McCain is.

This leads back to my thread title. Has Obama really been harmed by Rev. Wright? I honestly think it could all blow over and become a near-nothing issue by fall. Keep in mind that we're still more than 7 months away from the general election. I do think this flap will continue to haunt Obama in its own way and it will probably never disappear from his radar, but at the same time, I have a hard time believing that a nation confronting so MANY important issues OTHER than race will suddenly decide to choose its President based on old racial comments from a sermon in 1990.

I don't see this as a winning issue for Hillary and I don't see it as a winning issue for McCain. This recent flap has gotten so hot so fast that I don't think many people have taken a moment to think about how much it will really matter 7+ months from now when the general election finally comes around.

Will the 2008 election be tipped by old-style racial comments? I have an awfully hard time believing it. There are just too many other critically-important issues out there right now.
 
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It was certainly his most presidential speech to date.

Even many of those who bitterly oppose his campaign stands are giving him props.

This guy will not be Swift-boated without a damn good fistfight. In that respect, I say: bully for him.
 
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I honestly think it could all blow over and become a near-nothing issue by fall.
i think a big reason that we hear alot of this is that there is a lot of interest in keeping a perceived "battle" for the dem nomination going on as long as possible. its a great lead story and gives the talking heads yet another thing to opine on ad nauseum.
 

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It was certainly his most presidential speech to date.

Even many of those who bitterly oppose his campaign stands are giving him props.

This guy will not be Swift-boated without a damn good fistfight. In that respect, I say: bully for him.
On the contrary. The man has shown no propensity whatsoever to take the gloves off. The question is whether McCain's campaign will exploit his weaknesses with it's own bare knuckled attacks.

Since only hacks and other assorted extremists are the only ones really following this campaign at all right now, all McCain will have to do is wait until Labor Day, articulate Obama's middle name in his stump speech, and scare the living daylights out of people who think a Podcast is a prop from an old horror flick.
 
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On the contrary. The man has shown no propensity whatsoever to take the gloves off. The question is whether McCain's campaign will exploit his weaknesses with it's own bare knuckled attacks.

Since only hacks and other assorted extremists are the only ones really following this campaign at all right now, all McCain will have to do is wait until Labor Day, articulate Obama's middle name in his stump speech, and scare the living daylights out of people who think a Podcast is a prop from an old horror flick.
Of course, John McCain has no weaknesses to speak of......nor hacks nor extremists in his campaign (and in the media). His (and his wife's) rep is as pure as wind-driven snow.

How will Barack Osama bin Laden survive the onslaught of evidence that he fought with the VC as an 8 yr old black Muslim product of a commie mixed-marriage?

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Since only hacks and other assorted extremists are the only ones really following this campaign at all right now, all McCain will have to do is wait until Labor Day, articulate Obama's middle name in his stump speech, and scare the living daylights out of people who think a Podcast is a prop from an old horror flick.
Sad, but true.
 

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He should be harmed by Wright's comments. Wright is a radical, a racist, and a very close friend of Obama's. I've stopped being friends with individuals for less; Obama's relationship with Wright should cause EVERYONE to question Obama's judgment.
 

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then i guess you will hold mccain responsible for his wife's drug addictions and theft to cover those. she is a drug addict, a thief and very close to mccain. mccain's close relationship with cindy lou should cause EVERYONE to question mccain's judgment ;)
 

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then i guess you will hold mccain responsible for his wife's drug addictions and theft to cover those. she is a drug addict, a thief and very close to mccain. mccain's close relationship with cindy lou should cause EVERYONE to question mccain's judgment ;)
Actually, yes I do. Regardless, Cindy McCain has admitted that what she did was wrong. Let me know when Wright does the same.
 

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Let me know when Wright does the same.
so you are assuming that an american citizen speaking their mind, whether what they say is offensive or not, is in the same class of wrong as embezzling money to feed a drug habit?

regardless, the guilt by association push is a pretty weak one. but i guess this puts the kibosh on the obama is a muslim meme.
 
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Free speech. Wright can say what he wants and it should have no reflection on Obama. "This too, shall pass."
Free speech does not mean free from consequences.
No one's prosecuting Wright or Obama, or attempting to restrict speech.

The political beliefs of a candidate and the people close to him are relevant to an election, which is the consummate popularity contest.
 

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:iagree: I don't disagree with you there, I'm just sayin' that even if someone close to you, it shouldn't have a bearing on YOU, it does, but IMHO it shouldn't.
 

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Free speech does not mean free from consequences.
No one's prosecuting Wright or Obama, or attempting to restrict speech.

The political beliefs of a candidate and the people close to him are relevant to an election, which is the consummate popularity contest.
I completely agree with you. Right or wrong, every day in the public opinion arena, people are guilty by association. This is especially true in politics.

Since Obama has long aspired to become President, he should have been more careful in such matters. His campaign staff knew almost a year ago that this issue would surface, and they were very concerned about it.

From a personal standpoint, I would never sit in a church church pew for 20 years and listen to a pastor preach such fundamentals that I find offensive. That is the beautiful thing about freedom of worship. We have a choice. Obama stayed with Wright and listened to that poison because he found no problem with it. Otherwise, he would have sought another place to worship. Remember, Wright accused this country of inventing Aids to hurt the black man. He accused the US of being behind the 9-11 disaster. Finally, this church reigned praises on Louis Farrakhan. My Gosh!!! What am I suppose to think? This is the equivalent of hate spewed from the mouths of Black Panthers or radical Muslims.

So, the problem I have with Obama is that I just do not know what he is thinking or what he really believes. I know what he is saying, but actions speak louder than words; he made the decision to support Wright by attending church there for many years. Now, he is attempting to distance himself from Wright, but the horse is already out of the barn.

The concern for me is who is the best candidate. I despise the underhanded tactics of the Clintons, but you can never count out the Clinton political machine. They have been knocked down many times, but never knocked out. They just keep coming back. Assuming Hillary comes up short on delegates, but manages to get the nomination with some behind the scenes trickery, I expect the equivalent of the "Watts Riots" in cities across America. This could get real nasty for the donkeys at the convention.

I'm not thrilled with McCain either. It is time to start looking at a way to gracefully turn over the security of Iraq to the people of Iraq. It appears that McCain is content to continue our fighting presence there for many more years, something that this country can't really afford to do. There are no predominately Muslim countries in the world that have a democratic government and I'm not sure that the people of Iraq understand what sacrifices are needed to be free.

Finally, none of the big three candidates will do what is needed to stop illegal immigration. All three support some version of what I define as amnesty for illegals, but, of most importance, none of them will seal the borders. All three have danced with this subject and have no intentions of doing the right thing on immigration. People that have entered our country illegally are in crimnal violation of the laws of our country. They need to be deported and our borders need to be sealed. If they want to come to the US, they need to wait their turn and submit appropriate paperwork.

It appears that McCain is the lesser of the evils, but only by default. The pickings are slim this time around. Both Obama and Clinton will raise our taxes. I prefer to keep my hard earned money and, if I decide to, I can burn it myself without watching the government do it. Why would we want to elect a president that we know will get their hands deeper in our pockets?
 
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This thread is surely heading downhill.

Let's try to keep this on topic, and stay away from racial stereotypes.
 

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so you are assuming that an american citizen speaking their mind, whether what they say is offensive or not, is in the same class of wrong as embezzling money to feed a drug habit?
And if so, does the law of transitivity then hold that embezzling money to feed a drug habit is a constitutionally protected civil right? :eek:

regardless, the guilt by association push is a pretty weak one. but i guess this puts the kibosh on the obama is a muslim meme.
We can only hope.