Yeah, I'd say there was some sort of division among the team. Either way, an awful look for a coaching staff and school.
News Article: Hoover High Football Coaches Placed on Leave -- Coaches Have Now Resigned
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It all depends…I personally know the kid involved in the situation. Last year kid did something incredibly stupid but not out of the norm for the culture of the team he was on (which needs to change). A coach ended up in this kids face yelling and screaming and cussing him like a dog, after throwing him in a chair. It was bad enough a VOLUNTEER coach had to pull him off and he fought with the guy trying to get back in the kids face. Other paid coaches stood and watched. Guy got a slap on the wrist.
I wanted him fired. There is no place for this. You can coach HS sports without cussing the players. They are still STUDENTS. I don’t care how they talk amongst themselves.
I’ve always asked the question in these situations…Is it ok to cuss a 1st grader? Cause both are students under the charge of a BoE employee.
Water made you weak, and Ammonia capsules were commonplace to break under your nose to snap you out of unconsciousness after an excellent helmet to helmet hit.
It looked to me like the 2nd coach was trying to pull the kid up by the shoulder pads. Didn't look like humping his head really. He sort of had that motion, but I think it was from pulling.
A volunteer coach would give you a handful of salt tablets during a 15 minute break in practice and stand over you to make sure you didn’t take more than ten sips of water from the garden hose running from the gymnasium.
During fall practice, prior to the start of the season, coaches would roll out mats from the wrestling room and upper class men would get to choose who on the team they wanted to “wrestle”. It was only wrestling in the loosest of terms. More like organized brawling. I had a classmate as a sophomore that was the backup QB. The juniors and seniors despised him. They all wanted him. The guy started school that year with two black eyes. It was like hazing on steroids.
When I was a freshman we had something similar on our HS baseball team with a sophomore and an upperclassman. There was hazing that went on in varying degrees and all depending on the day it could vary between getting a severe wedgy, to the point of having your underwear literally ripped from you body, or a form of "wrestling" that normally ended up with a few punches being thrown by the upperclassman to "show you" who ran the show. There was one sophomore that for whatever reason this one upperclassman picked out to "hate" and finally had a window of opportunity open up to "wrestle" the kid. It ended up with the sophomore beating down the upperclassman to the point of serious facial swelling, blood all over his face, and him lying face down in front of the entire team. You could hear a pin drop on cotton it was so quiet.
"When keeping it real goes wrong..."
Both of these coaches have now resigned from their positions at Hoover High, effective immediately.
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Hoover football coaches Drew Gilmer, Adam Helms resign in wake of practice videos
Hoover head coach Drew Gilmer and defensive coordinator Adam Helms were put on leave earlier this week.
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I've watched the videos. The Coaches are guilty as can be.
I know football is a rough sport, but when your filmed tearing helmets off players... You have crossed the line. The coaches should not be allowed to retire. Firing them and maybe prosecuting them should be in order.
Of course, I have seen a lot of comments on Facebook about the story from old guys recounting similar stories from “back in their day” and how kids today are too soft.
I have never had the physical abilities to play organized sports, particularly football. But I am glad the times of things like this are in the past. Yes, we honor Bryant and the Junction Boys but that rightly wouldn’t fly today. I suspect his old practices were the rule and not the exception in those days.
I have never had the physical abilities to play organized sports, particularly football. But I am glad the times of things like this are in the past. Yes, we honor Bryant and the Junction Boys but that rightly wouldn’t fly today. I suspect his old practices were the rule and not the exception in those days.
I love it when karma opens up a six-pack.When I was a freshman we had something similar on our HS baseball team with a sophomore and an upperclassman. There was hazing that went on in varying degrees and all depending on the day it could vary between getting a severe wedgy, to the point of having your underwear literally ripped from you body, or a form of "wrestling" that normally ended up with a few punches being thrown by the upperclassman to "show you" who ran the show. There was one sophomore that for whatever reason this one upperclassman picked out to "hate" and finally had a window of opportunity open up to "wrestle" the kid. It ended up with the sophomore beating down the upperclassman to the point of serious facial swelling, blood all over his face, and him lying face down in front of the entire team. You could hear a pin drop on cotton it was so quiet.
"When keeping it real goes wrong..."
Bet nobody ever messed with that sophomore again.
Nope. But when our head coach found out what happened he made the entire team run gassers for a week. He was former military so he fully believed in shared punishment and misery.
Regarding Coach Bryant and his style early on in his career, we must take into account that most of the folks in coaching at that time were products of WW2. Following that up was I’m pretty sure difficult, as many who survived it had been through a great deal. I’m sure personal experiences and dealing with the loss of friends and loved ones made that entire bunch pretty tough. The Greatest Generation doesn’t come close to describing those people. RTR
I wish there was a stronger reaction option than 'Love' for this because few things in life give me more Joy than a Bully getting what's coming to them.When I was a freshman we had something similar on our HS baseball team with a sophomore and an upperclassman. There was hazing that went on in varying degrees and all depending on the day it could vary between getting a severe wedgy, to the point of having your underwear literally ripped from you body, or a form of "wrestling" that normally ended up with a few punches being thrown by the upperclassman to "show you" who ran the show. There was one sophomore that for whatever reason this one upperclassman picked out to "hate" and finally had a window of opportunity open up to "wrestle" the kid. It ended up with the sophomore beating down the upperclassman to the point of serious facial swelling, blood all over his face, and him lying face down in front of the entire team. You could hear a pin drop on cotton it was so quiet.
"When keeping it real goes wrong..."
Both Hoover's DC and the Head Coach have now resigned, effective immediately.
I'm guessing their legal troubles are far from over, and they've dragged HHS and the Hoover City School System in with them. There are racial aspects in play -- white coaches, black players. One of the attorneys the players have retained is a member of the Alabama State HoR, and loves being in front of cameras and microphones. So I'm further guessing that there'll be a large settlement.
As a side note, Hoover is known in the Birmingham area for looking the other way in order to win in every aspect of school life -- any sport, any academic achievement, any community award, anything you might imagine. So I'm curious as to how the video got into the hands of the news media.
The Hoover I knew during my time in Birmingham would have "had a malfunction in the archiving software," and pretended nothing had happened.
Channeling my inner conspiracy theorist, that makes me wonder if the administration or the HHS football boosters -- yes, there is such an organization, and it's unusually powerful -- might have had some other beef with the coaches and wanted them gone.
If (two big letters) that's the case, it's possible the administration knew (1) the coaching methods being used, and (2) that it was just a matter of time before they got what they wanted on tape.
I'm guessing their legal troubles are far from over, and they've dragged HHS and the Hoover City School System in with them. There are racial aspects in play -- white coaches, black players. One of the attorneys the players have retained is a member of the Alabama State HoR, and loves being in front of cameras and microphones. So I'm further guessing that there'll be a large settlement.
As a side note, Hoover is known in the Birmingham area for looking the other way in order to win in every aspect of school life -- any sport, any academic achievement, any community award, anything you might imagine. So I'm curious as to how the video got into the hands of the news media.
The Hoover I knew during my time in Birmingham would have "had a malfunction in the archiving software," and pretended nothing had happened.
Channeling my inner conspiracy theorist, that makes me wonder if the administration or the HHS football boosters -- yes, there is such an organization, and it's unusually powerful -- might have had some other beef with the coaches and wanted them gone.
If (two big letters) that's the case, it's possible the administration knew (1) the coaching methods being used, and (2) that it was just a matter of time before they got what they wanted on tape.
Bryant was lucky he didn't kill that boy (only ended his career) and he knew it.
@4Q Basket Case My kids were at Hoover during the Propst days. Parents, boosters, school administration, BOE, City Council and others just didn’t “look the other way”. They closed their eyes, covered their ears, and buried their collective heads in the sand. Propst was out and out blatant in his “activities” both personal and coaching wise. Everyone covered for him. When one member of the BOE was asked about it, he stated (I’m cleaning this up significantly) “he didn’t care if he was sleeping with barnyard animals. He wins games and that is what matters…”
Niblett came in and restored decency to the program. The problem is Thompson High, right down the road, has upstaged Hoover now. Thompson was on the upswing when Josh left 2021. Wade Waldrop was out after two years when it was apparent he wasn’t “the guy”.
My understanding was Gilmer was “the pick” among the power brokers. Could he have stepped on some toes? Sure. Particularly on the school faculty/staff or the BOE.
However, I think it is more likely there were a core group of players that took issue with him. They probably had witnessed some of this stuff and knew it was only a matter of time before he gave them some ammunition. Find who had access to the practice video taping system and who leaked it. That will tell you a lot.
Niblett came in and restored decency to the program. The problem is Thompson High, right down the road, has upstaged Hoover now. Thompson was on the upswing when Josh left 2021. Wade Waldrop was out after two years when it was apparent he wasn’t “the guy”.
My understanding was Gilmer was “the pick” among the power brokers. Could he have stepped on some toes? Sure. Particularly on the school faculty/staff or the BOE.
However, I think it is more likely there were a core group of players that took issue with him. They probably had witnessed some of this stuff and knew it was only a matter of time before he gave them some ammunition. Find who had access to the practice video taping system and who leaked it. That will tell you a lot.
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