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[MasterShake]

the context in which you situate this post reminds me of good ole Albert Gore statements when he spoke of global warming on the coldest day in NYC (i believe it was NYC). My question is that on very cold days should we not then reverse our global warming rhetoric to global cooling rhetoric?

and to answer your post subject, yes, yesterday's 101 here in atlanta (at least at my house) was plenty warm for me

And your post reminds of me of of the posts I see from fundamentalist republican on a daily basis. It is purely pathetic how such a serious issue as global warming can be marginalized by republicans simply b/c a liberal somewhere supports the claims of global warming.

 

[Chukker Veteran]

And your post reminds of me of of the posts I see from fundamentalist republican on a daily basis. It is purely pathetic how such a serious issue as global warming can be marginalized by republicans simply b/c a liberal somewhere supports the claims of global warming.

They seem so proud of the ability to trash the planet, it's really hard to understand.

But I guess it makes as much sense as establishing a pre-emptive basis for war, built on fake intelligence.

 

[Bama Torch in Pcola]

With each volcano eruption more flourocarbons are released into the atmosphere than mankind has released in the history of our existence. Volcano eruptions have been going on for millions of years. I'm no scientist but I don't think we have anything to worry about from aerosol cans. As for the climate crisis website, their claim that the global temp is rising because of CO2 sounds to me like bad logic. Considering that current co2 levels are nothing near what they were about 10,000 years ago, a time in which global temperatures were the lowest in the history of the planet. The logic just doesn't add up. Those who will can call me a right wing, war mongering, eco unfriendly, Bush lover all they want. But all that fuss and bluster cannot alleviate the facts. Gore wants to be a savior, the knight on the white horse. If his followers want to fret and sweat with him, fine. Just don't expect me to get quite as worked up about it.

 

[Bodhisattva]

With each volcano eruption more flourocarbons are released into the atmosphere than mankind has released in the history of our existence. Volcano eruptions have been going on for millions of years. I'm no scientist but I don't think we have anything to worry about from aerosol cans. As for the climate crisis website, their claim that the global temp is rising because of CO2 sounds to me like bad logic. Considering that current co2 levels are nothing near what they were about 10,000 years ago, a time in which global temperatures were the lowest in the history of the planet. The logic just doesn't add up. Those who will can call me a right wing, war mongering, eco unfriendly, Bush lover all they want. But all that fuss and bluster cannot alleviate the facts. Gore wants to be a savior, the knight on the white horse. If his followers want to fret and sweat with him, fine. Just don't expect me to get quite as worked up about it.

Hey, who needs facts, the answers to some basic questions, or solutions when you have raging emotion? That alone will get you a seat on Oprah, Larry King, The View, Lou Dobbs, et. al.

 

[92tide]

Hey, who needs facts, the answers to some basic questions, or solutions when you have raging emotion? That alone will get you a seat on Oprah, Larry King, The View, Lou Dobbs, et. al.

. . . or rush, oreilly, hannity et al.

 

[Bama Torch in Pcola]

Neither side is immune.

 

[Bodhisattva]

. . . or rush, oreilly, hannity et al.

I find that the Left relies on more emotion-based arguments. But, as a libertarian, not a conservative, I agree with you that the aforementioned are equally useless in substantive debate.

 

[bamabake]

Bamanation, It's funny you would mention Gore talking about global warming on that cold day in New York. Folks got plenty of mileage poking fun at the idea of Gore warning about global warming on such a cold day. If we can mock a problem enough, it can be ignored.

If you think this summer is hot, get ready for what's headed our way.

Gore recently said something to the effect that people who don't believe in global warming hang out with folks that think the earth is flat, and they party with folks who think the moon landing was filmed in Arizona.

(Ridicule can be a two way street.)

If you think this summer is hot, get ready for what's headed our way.


You dont know what is headed our way. Were you around the last time that the world warmed up? or cooled down for that matter. In fact there is a body of info out there that posit that we may be better off it it warms some. Besides that lil ole mankind cant stop the world from warming or cooling. it is arrogant to think that imho.

 

[BamaNation]

And your post reminds of me of of the posts I see from fundamentalist republican on a daily basis. It is purely pathetic how such a serious issue as global warming can be marginalized by republicans simply b/c a liberal somewhere supports the claims of global warming.

I've never denied that the earth may be warming. The difference is that I happen to believe the science that says it is a normal cyclical change and you happen to believe the science that thinks it is an aberration. I could point to a bunch of science-based websites with a counter argument but it really makes no difference.

It's just comical to me how the leftists - and in particular blowhards like Gore - use it as a political issue everytime the temperature reaches 100 degres. The issue is marginalized not b/c it's not a serious issue but b/c of the way it is POLITICIZED with no serious thought put into real solutions but moreso on how to position the argument so that it gets support from this group or that one. I reference the original post that points to the Al Gore website. The equivalent would be a post with reference to a flat earth society's conspiratorial website as a claim that the earth actually is flat.

Also, based on your post (which reminds me of many of the leftist wing wackos), I think we should be able to group you into the "I know better than you" group that makes people who "obviously don't know as much as you" less likely to listen to you. Equally pathetic are leftists who marginilize serious conservative issues b/c a conservative somewhere disagrees with them.

We can go on all night like this if you like...pot meet kettle.

 

[Chukker Veteran]

It's just comical to me how the leftists - and in particular blowhards like Gore - use it as a political issue everytime the temperature reaches 100 degres.

...I reference the original post that points to the Al Gore website. The equivalent would be a post with reference to a flat earth society's conspiratorial website as a claim that the earth actually is flat.

Talk about comical...comparing the website Gore has up about global warming with one that advocates the Earth is flat.

To maintain one is the equivalent to the other is silly at best. But this is the mindset we must deal with, and thankfully the majority of the public is opening their eyes to global warming.

I understand how Gore can grate on one's nerves. bush does me the same way. If bush said the sun rises in the East I'd have to rethink things because his credibility is shot. So I can understand the hard conservatives' hesitation to face global warming with Gore leading the charge.

Gore's point is that we need to develop alternate energy sources, and doing so will result in many many new jobs. A new, booming economy, with the U.S. workers and the Earth in general as winners. Each person can make a decision to do as little harm as they can, recycling, driving moderate gas hogs, etc. The alternative is to keep on with the same path and hope for the best.

Maybe the Rapture will transport us all to a better place once the Earth has been trashed beyond salvaging.

Gore made the following remarks on Larry King recently, I think they are valid:
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KING: Would you say President Bush -- I don't want to put words in your mouth -- is a disappointment in this area?

GORE: Yes, sure, to say the least, to say the least. President Bush and Vice President Cheney have appointed to every key position that has anything to do with the climate crisis special interest spokesmen for the oil companies, the coal companies, and this is no secret. It's been documented over and over again.

The person he put in charge of the White House environment office, a fellow named Philip Cooney -- he was kind of a bit player -- but he ran the disinformation campaign on global warming for the American Petroleum Institute, and then he was -- even though he had no scientific training -- he was empowered to censor all of the reports on global warming that came from the EPA and from elsewhere in the government intended to alert the American people.

If he thought that ExxonMobil or one of the other handful of irresponsible companies on this issue wouldn't like it, he struck it out and I think that ought to be seen as an extremely serious breach of trust.

And the reason I'm concerned about it is our democracy must deal with this crisis, and we can only deal with it, and we will deal with it on the basis of truth. You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. I learned that growing up. You did, too.

 

[ValuJet]

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[Bodhisattva]

Al Gore and Larry King? Well, as compeling as those two lightweights might be to some, I think I'll still wait for my basic questions to be answered. I post them every time this type of thread gets started, and no one on the Tin Foil Hat Brigade can answer them. Big Suprise.

I thought Chicken Little stories were debunked once a person reached at certain age -- say five. Maybe not.

 

[Chukker Veteran]

Gore can be so effectively mocked on just about any subject b/c of the manner in which he tries to make his points in a "I'm-more-intelligent-than-thou" manner.

We've found some common ground here. The "I'm-more-intelligent-than-thou" crowd can really be irritating.

 

[bamabake]

Al Gore and Larry King? Well, as compeling as those two lightweights might be to some, I think I'll still wait for my basic questions to be answered. I post them every time this type of thread gets started, and no one on the Tin Foil Hat Brigade can answer them. Big Suprise.

I thought Chicken Little stories were debunked once a person reached at certain age -- say five. Maybe not.

I thought so too untill I actually heard an adult say for the first time the phrase " fair share" when discussing tax policy. Some people never disabuse themselves of ignorant notions.

 

[BamaNation]

Talk about comical...comparing the website Gore has up about global warming with one that advocates the Earth is flat.

To maintain one is the equivalent to the other is silly at best. But this is the mindset we must deal with, and thankfully the majority of the public is opening their eyes to global warming.

Jeez... what I'm talking about is not a comparison on the merits but rather a comparison of the advocates. Gore has everything to gain - by being the producer of a movie and author of a couple of books on the subject - by making sure he gets the most bang out of the subject. Those who would promote a flat earth to unbelievers would do the same thing. And, to belabor the point I have made numerous times, so does Pat Robertson by advocating an assasination of the venezualan president and Roy Moore by putting 10 commandments in the Alabama Supreme Court bldg. They know that by making harsh, outlandish, or controversial statements, they get a lot of press.

I wouldn't trust any of these about the subjects they promote b/c they have so much at stake on "being right." THAT is my point just so we're all clear and no confusion should remain. The other link I posted shows that serious minds disagree about global warming and that just because a few political hacks or has beens or articles that state that "1000 scientists agree that the earth will melt by 2008" doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Frankly, I'm tired of this subject already b/c it's obvious it can't be discussed without invective and injection of a totally emotional response. So I'll close with this:

It was 100+ degrees in Atlanta this week. Today it was cooler. Therefore global warming must not be true

 

[Chukker Veteran]

It was 100+ degrees in Atlanta this week. Today it was cooler. Therefore global warming must not be true

You got me there.

I'll go out on a limb with a prediction, you're opinion will reverse itself on global warming within 5 years.

P.S., I've got a garden gnome in my yard of all things. Kind of a cross between a gremlin and an elf. I guess liberals could do worse.

 

[Ldlane]

I don't know about Al "Bore", but when the wife and I left Las Vegas (Gee Someone should make that into a song!) it was 115 degrees!!!!

 

[bamabake]

I don't know about Al "Bore", but when the wife and I left Las Vegas (Gee Someone should make that into a song!) it was 115 degrees!!!!

As it always is in Vegas in late June.

 

[ValuJet]

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[Chukker Veteran]

Here's a link to a respected scientist who makes some very good points:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19131

Jim Hansen is Director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies and Adjunct Professor of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Columbia University's Earth Institute.

A few paragraphs from a lengthy article:

Both the Department of Energy and some fossil fuel companies insist that continued growth of fossil fuel use and of CO2 emissions are facts that cannot be altered to any great extent. Their prophecies become self-fulfilling, with the help of government subsidies and intensive efforts by special interest groups to prevent the public from becoming well-informed.

In reality, an alternative scenario is possible and makes sense for other reasons, especially in the US, which has become an importer of energy, hemorrhaging wealth to foreign nations in order to pay for it. In response to oil shortages and price rises in the 1970s, the US slowed its growth in energy use mainly by requiring an increase from thirteen to twenty-four miles per gallon in the standard of auto efficiency. Economic growth was decoupled from growth in the use of fossil fuels and the gains in efficiency were felt worldwide. Global growth of CO2 emissions slowed from more than 4 percent each year to between 1 and 2 percent growth each year.

...Why are the same scientists and political forces that succeeded in controlling the threat to the ozone layer now failing miserably to deal with the global warming crisis? Though we depend on fossil fuels far more than we ever did on CFCs, there is plenty of blame to go around. Scientists present the facts about climate change clinically, failing to stress that business-as-usual will transform the planet. The press and television, despite an overwhelming scientific consensus concerning global warming, give equal time to fringe "contrarians" supported by the fossil fuel industry. Special interest groups mount effective disinformation campaigns to sow doubt about the reality of global warming. The government appears to be strongly influenced by special interests, or otherwise confused and distracted, and it has failed to provide leadership. The public is understandably confused or uninterested.

...Policies favoring the short-term profits of energy companies and other special interests are cast by many politicians as being in the best economic interests of the country. They take no account of the mounting costs of environmental damage and of the future costs of maintaining the supply of fossil fuels. Leaders with a long-term vision would place greater value on developing more efficient energy technology and sources of clean energy. Rather than subsidizing fossil fuels, the government should provide incentives for fossil-fuel companies to develop other kinds of energy.

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Try to approach global warming with an open mind. It's worth the effort.