Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.) (part II)
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Well, for one, Pretti is dead and this man is not. If these cops had murdered this man for being drunk and saying no, then I would be condemning them as I continue to condemn the murdering ICE thugs.
Resisting arrest alone is not a justification for the use of deadly force. Having a weapon on you is not a justification for the use of deadly force, especially when 5 agents are piled on your back and they take your gun away before they start shooting.
I hate to break it to you but being a journalist (whatever that means) does not give you the right to trespass on private property. If this had been a government building, a public park, etc., then he would have been fine, legally. Once he trespassed on private property, was asked to leave, and didn't, he and all the others were breaking the law and subject to arrest.
Trump on Minneapolis: "Do these people really want to have rapists and drug dealers and people from prisons and murderers, do they really want to have them in the community? It's really insurrectionists and agitators and they're paid ... everybody has a beautiful sign with brand new wood. Leather panels."
The MAGA spin is alive and well in the White House and on this message board.
No, he supported Trump so he’s getting the policies he would have voted for if he could have voted.
I honestly don’t know what avenues were available for him in the past but I do agree he should have looked into that. The article also said he had some legal issues a few years ago but didn’t go into detail.
I don’t have any hatred towards him, but he knew Trump was going to crack down on illegal aliens, yet still cheered for him.
What was Lemon doing in the church? Was he just observing whatever the protesters were doing or did he join in the protesting? Did an employee of the church ask him to leave?
United States citizens have a right to representation, NOT illegal aliens. United States citizens should decide electoral votes and congressional seats, NOT illegal aliens.
We are suing @uscensusbureau for unconstitutionally allowing illegal aliens to commandeer the path to The White House and compromise our elections.
We are suing @uscensusbureau for unconstitutionally allowing illegal aliens to commandeer the path to The White House and compromise our elections.
If I'm remembering correctly, he was asked to leave by the pastor. Of course, Lemon was dumb enough to film it and broadcast is all over the internet so if I'm right, there will be plenty of evidence provided by the genius himself.
Were the church protesters (and Don Lemon) on or inside the church's property when protesting? I'm legitimately asking because I'm just seeing the report.
Yes, they went into the church itself. One of the best things I've seen so far: a young black man on Tik-Tok talking about this said, "Yeah, try that in a black church; I dare you. You won't make it past the first row of aunties."
Then it's a no brainer. It's trespassing and doesn't fall under 1st amendment rights. Using the abortion clinic example, I do not have the right to go on or in their property to protest. My understanding is, I can stand on the nearest public property and protest. But once I cross their property line, I'm out of line.
I would agree that, assuming he is a Trump supporter, his predicament is ironic.
Okay. Fair enough. So the difference is that one is dead and the other one is not.
You stated that this guy is an idiot and that all other ICE agents are idiots, too. So if he had been shot dead he would have been an idiot who got himself killed.
Is Pretti an idiot who got himself killed?
I'm not sure what rights Don Lemon has as a journalist, but according to the definition of the FACE Act I read below, the protesters are in violation of the FACE Act. I would also question what access "rights" a journalist has when the access was created by an illegal act. As you stated, trespassing at a minimum. Either way, they have zero right to interfere with a worship service on private property.
Edit: There are two very incriminating videos (made by Don Lemon) making their rounds on X that show him present in the planning of the protest and advocating for the church protest once inside. His intent was not to be there as a journalist reporting. He did more than just trespass...
18 U.S. Code § 248 - Freedom of access to clinic entrances
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There are relevant legal minds who don't agree:I'm not sure what rights Don Lemon has as a journalist, but according to the definition of the FACE Act I read below, the protesters are in violation of the FACE Act. I would also question what access "rights" a journalist has when the access was created by an illegal act. As you stated, trespassing at a minimum. Either way, they have zero right to interfere with a worship service on private property.
Edit: There are two very incriminating videos (made by Don Lemon) making their rounds on X that show him present in the planning of the protest and advocating for the church protest once inside. His intent was not to be there as a journalist reporting. He did more than just trespass...
18 U.S. Code § 248 - Freedom of access to clinic entrances
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NYT Gift Article
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After considering the complaint, Judge Micko found there was probable cause to issue warrants for three of the suspects — Nekima Levy Armstrong, Chauntyll Louisa Allen and William Kelly — all of whom were ultimately taken into custody on Thursday. But he refused to approve warrants for the other five people, including Mr. Lemon, who had been working as an independent reporter, and his producer, the unsealed court papers said.
Almost immediately, the U.S. attorney in Minnesota, Daniel N. Rosen, who was appointed by President Trump last year, notified the district’s chief judge, Patrick J. Schiltz, that he wanted another judge to review Judge Micko’s decision — a highly unusual move.
Typically, Judge Schiltz wrote in a letter to the appeals court, if the government is unsatisfied with a magistrate’s refusal to sign warrants, it can either “improve” its affidavit making the request and present it again, or it can set aside its criminal complaint and try a different way to charge the suspects: by seeking a grand jury indictment.
“It is important to emphasize that what the U.S. attorney requested is unheard-of in our district or, as best as I can tell, any other district in the Eighth Circuit,” wrote Judge Schiltz, a staunch Republican appointed by President George W. Bush. “I have surveyed all of our judges — some of whom have been judges in our district for over 40 years — and no one can remember the government asking a district judge to review a magistrate judge’s denial of an arrest warrant.”
Moreover, Judge Schiltz wrote, three of the people whose warrants were denied had not been charged with committing any violence, but at worst had been accused of “yelling horrible things at the members of the church.” He added there was no evidence that Mr. Lemon or his producer had engaged “in any criminal behavior or conspired to do so.”
At first, Judge Schiltz sought to take a measured path in response to the request by Mr. Rosen, a longtime commercial litigator who had little experience in prosecuting criminal cases when he took over as U.S. attorney in October.
Noting that the request was “unprecedented” and had prompted “strong and differing views” from his fellow judges, Judge Schiltz told Mr. Rosen that he would not decide what to do about the warrants until he had discussed the issue at a meeting with his colleagues scheduled for this past Wednesday.
NYT Gift Article
The terror and cruelty are features of the Trump Administration's policies and evidently endorsed by the supporters of the current ICE incarnation.
Selamawit Mehari, an Eritrean single mother of three, was starting her day when federal agents showed up at her apartment in St. Paul, Minn., on a recent morning. As her 13-year-old son wailed and her older daughter produced paperwork proving her mother was in the United States lawfully, the agents shackled Ms. Mehari and took her away.
“They didn’t explain anything,” recalled her daughter, Yosan, 21, who described the encounter to The New York Times. “We didn’t understand. We had done everything right.”
The next day, chained at the wrists, waist and ankles, Ms. Mehari, 38, was shuffling up the steps of a plane bound for Texas, tears streaming down her face in the frigid wind.
More than 100 refugees with no criminal record from about a dozen countries have been arrested in Minnesota by immigration agents in recent weeks and flown to detention centers in Texas for interviews, according to lawyers, family members and faith leaders. At least some, including Ms. Mehari, were eventually released in Texas, leaving them to find their own way home.
The terror and cruelty are features of the Trump Administration's policies and evidently endorsed by the supporters of the current ICE incarnation.
They ‘Had Done Everything Right.’ ICE Detained Them Anyway.
Dozens of refugees with valid status were sent from Minnesota to Texas to be revetted, prompting a lawsuit. Those released had to pay their way back.Selamawit Mehari, an Eritrean single mother of three, was starting her day when federal agents showed up at her apartment in St. Paul, Minn., on a recent morning. As her 13-year-old son wailed and her older daughter produced paperwork proving her mother was in the United States lawfully, the agents shackled Ms. Mehari and took her away.
“They didn’t explain anything,” recalled her daughter, Yosan, 21, who described the encounter to The New York Times. “We didn’t understand. We had done everything right.”
The next day, chained at the wrists, waist and ankles, Ms. Mehari, 38, was shuffling up the steps of a plane bound for Texas, tears streaming down her face in the frigid wind.
More than 100 refugees with no criminal record from about a dozen countries have been arrested in Minnesota by immigration agents in recent weeks and flown to detention centers in Texas for interviews, according to lawyers, family members and faith leaders. At least some, including Ms. Mehari, were eventually released in Texas, leaving them to find their own way home.
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