Ya know, I tend to ride the fence on these issues. I want players to get as much as they can because I do know they have short careers. I also fully support Bama players and want all of them to do as well as possible in their time after college football. But that one part I bolded is where we disagree (but only slightly). Yes, quite often they will have aches that will stay with them the rest of their lives due to their time playing football. No argument there. Sadly, a few (even a few is too many) will have major issues that haunt them and take time off of their lives (I am talking Kevin Turner fashion..his story still makes me cry). But with the exception of that latter group, their football career allows for a quality of life during and after football that most of us can only dream about. I would gladly take their aches and pains until the age of 70 to enjoy what some of them never fully appreciate.
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Ya know, I tend to ride the fence on these issues. I want players to get as much as they can because I do know they have short careers. I also fully support Bama players and want all of them to do as well as possible in their time after college football. But that one part I bolded is where we disagree (but only slightly). Yes, quite often they will have aches that will stay with them the rest of their lives due to their time playing football. No argument there. Sadly, a few (even a few is too many) will have major issues that haunt them and take time off of their lives (I am talking Kevin Turner fashion..his story still makes me cry). But with the exception of that latter group, their football career allows for a quality of life during and after football that most of us can only dream about. I would gladly take their aches and pains until the age of 70 to enjoy what some of them never fully appreciate.
That's really the root of the issue with most fans. However, coaches leave jobs all the time and break their contracts. Once the guaranteed money on an older, under-performing NFL player is paid-out, he's going to get cut with years still left on his contract. Yet, in both of these instances, no one gets upset. They just chalk it up to that's how things are.
This is the last opportunity Julio has where he holds leverage and can get himself some extra pay. As a Falcons fan, I want him out there, but I get why he's frustrated after watching Freeman and Ryan get their deals renegotiated. The Falcons have about as good of a chance as any team in the NFC to reaching the Super Bowl. They probably would have last year if Julio hadn't stumbled in the endzone in Philadelphia. Therefore, the Falcons will get this worked out before training camp starts in 6 weeks.
In 3 years he probably won't be able to get a big payday because he will be on the wrong side of 30 and has injury history. I completely understand wanting to push for more money while he can tbh.
If your boss signed you to a five year, ten million dollar contract and decided on year three that he didn't need you anymore would you be upset? The only thing that keeps these guys coming back is greed and ego.
Why would you need research to tell you that repeated blows to the head by some of the strongest men on the planet could be detrimental to your mental health?
I'm not sticking up for the owners, I'm speaking merely about players and their contracts. The owners squeeze the life out of players and take advantage of fans.
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I think the average fan probably has a problem with these guys making that much money. It just shows our values as a society is so out of whack. These are grown men playing a sport. I'm not just talking about football either, but basically all pro sports.
What if society put that much money into paying people to find a cure for diseases and other problems in the world?
FWIW, I don't blame the players and if I were one of them I'd want to be paid my fair market value.
What if society put that much money into paying people to find a cure for diseases and other problems in the world?
FWIW, I don't blame the players and if I were one of them I'd want to be paid my fair market value.
Another topic I waiver on. Here is the thing. We love watching sports. We love watching people do things that we can't do, especially not on their level. The reason why a professional athlete can demand as much as they do is because very, very few people in the world have the talent to do what they can do. Lots of people have the talent it takes to be a teacher. Plenty have what it takes to be an accountant. Even with the higher demands of medical school, there are still plenty of folks with the ability to do that well. But how many can hit a 90 MPH fastball? Not many at all. How many can stand in the rough from 210 yards away and know that they are going to hit the ball within 10 feet of the hole, then make the putt? Not many at all. How many can run the 40 in less than 5 seconds(and this is considered on the slow end for NFL players)? Go try it. Because we want to watch sports, and we want to see it done at a high level, then the exceptional few with the talent to do just that are going to be rewarded.
Now whether we should care at all about sports for entertainment as a society is up for debate as well. Life is rough, and many need to find their ways of escaping reality for a while. Some like to read, some fish/hunt, some drink (or worse), and the list could go on and on. But most who can are willing to pay for whatever their means of escape is. Many of us choose sports. Our forefathers here in the US may not have had the free time we have now to enjoy watching sports (did they even have any at that time?), but we all know about the gladiators in Rome. So, sports as entertainment is nothing new.
I don't disagree with anything you said RedWave. I'm just talking about the salaries not just being more than than the average, I'm talking about getting paid 75 million dollars for 3 years of work. That's just simply out of control, IMO.
If an average person makes 100K a year for 30 years he makes 3 million dollars in his whole career. It just seems grossly out of balance.
If an average person makes 100K a year for 30 years he makes 3 million dollars in his whole career. It just seems grossly out of balance.
I agree. But you know how that snowball gets rolling, as it did many years back. Team A doesn't want to pay more than X dollars. Player says ok, but Team B will pay $X+1. Well, now Team A sees they are going to lose player and up their bid to match/exceed. Team B comes back with a bigger offer. Now team C sees all of this action and wants in too. Why are all of these teams bidding so much for players? Because they want to keep their fans coming to games, buying merch, etc. The best way to do that is to win. So they spend the money to win the allow themselves to make more money. The more they make, the more the players are going to want. Sadly, in order to help make all of this happen, the community where these teams play are taxed nine ways to Sunday to pay for these stadiums where they get to go to the games for free...oh wait, no they don't. They get charges a very excessive cost to go to the games, so they can pay way too much for a beer and hotdog while barely being able to see what is happening on the field due to their seat being not the best, then wait forever in a line at the restroom when that need arises. Oh, and I forgot the joy of all the traffic coming into and leaving the game. But we gladly pay for this pleasure. Why? Because the game is blacked out on local TV and we have to have our escape.
The rarefied air doctors can make a ton of money. So can lawyers. Our own Dr. Andrews is worth over 100 million and he is not the richest doctor. Plenty of plastic surgeons make in the millions. Dr. Gary Michelson sold his spine related patents for over a billion. If you are the best at what you do, you can certainly get paid for it. Julio is the best in the world.
Do you know any corporate executives? Trust me, salaries are not "somewhat in control" for the people at the top of the pyramid.
Exactly what these two said. You are worth as much as you can get. And the teams pay what they have to in order to get the best they can get.
That money isn't guaranteed and the players know it. There's people in all walks of life who sign contracts that are only guaranteed up to a certain date. Whether or not employment is kept after that date is up to the person or organization making that decision. When a NFL team cuts a player the team hasn't done anything wrong or immoral. They have a right to do that in accordance to what the player signed up for..
Yes I do. I realize I'm probably in the minority about this, but I've thought it was out of control for years. Take teachers' salaries for instance.
BTW, I'm not a socialists but I do wish the extremes weren't so apparent.
And I must admit that one thing that bothers me about celebrities is they think because they are rich that their opinions suddenly mean more than mine. Oh well, I digress and I'll leave it out that.
But you're taking the most extreme example with your salary comparison. Most NFL players aren't making $75M over 3 years. I assume you're referring to the Kirk Cousins deal with that number. I'm not saying this isn't still a ton of money but I bet he'll only take home about $35M of the $75M after taxes, agent fees, etc.
The average NFL salary is about $2M per year. After taxes and agent fees most players in the NFL are taking home $1M or less per year to play the most popular sport in the world..
And the players will renegotiate during the middle of their contracts if they continue to play well, and the owners know it. None of this is new. The CBA set it up this way. Both sides have agreed to this madness.
Right, but people are acting like NFL teams aren't "honoring the contract" when they are. It's stated in the contract when the guaranteed money ends and at the time the player can be cut and the player is not owed anything additional. Negotiating in the middle of the contract is also permissible. So how is the NFL not honoring the contract? If the player doesn't like it they can try to negotiate something different or do what everyone does and look for work elsewhere..
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