Link: Let The QB Battle Begin (and other Fall Camp discussion)...

[CrimSonami]

This is the most exciting camp ever (well CPB wishbone year but no one knew), what Kiffin has in store I don't know but I'm sure it's going to be good.

We just need to wait it out, will he run the ball all the time or is Air Bama express coming?

I think Coker has a leg up because of game day play time but that may mean nothing to CLK.

Chicken Dinner on it's way. :wink:

 

[davefrat]

You love your hyperbole.

Coker can have plenty of upside. But if we just want to talk upside, it's Blake Barnett not David Cornwell that has the most of that. However, winning the job isn't really about upside, it's about who is ready to play, now. Blake Sims didn't win the job due to upside, he won the job because he was the one that was better prepared. That's no surprise if you consider that Coker only had fall practice to acclimate, while Blake Sims not only had been with the team for years, but also had spring practice to get used to Kiffin's offense. As far as Winston winning the job over Coker, holding that against him is kind of like holding the fact that Eddie Lacy was once third on the depth chart against him. When the guys in front of you are Heisman candidates that really doesn't mean anything.

who said anything about his competition with Winston?

I said that if they are at all close, go with Cornwell.

were Barnett neck and neck with them both, then I may say go with him. but apparently that's not the case.

the point is, it's pretty illogical to choose someone who is necessarily gone after one season over someone who has multiple seasons left if they are basically neck and neck going into the season.

if coker had a lot of upside, he would have shown much more improvement and separation, which he apparently has not.

also, the last time I checked, coker hasn't had a Heisman candidate in front of him for his last two preseasons...so I don't see how that has anything to do with the current discussion.

 

[81usaf92]

who said anything about his competition with Winston?

I said that if they are at all close, go with Cornwell.

were Barnett neck and neck with them both, then I may say go with him. but apparently that's not the case.

the point is, it's pretty illogical to choose someone who is necessarily gone after one season over someone who has multiple seasons left if they are basically neck and neck going into the season.

if coker had a lot of upside, he would have shown much more improvement and separation, which he apparently has not.

also, the last time I checked, coker hasn't had a Heisman candidate in front of him for his last two preseasons...so I don't see how that has anything to do with the current discussion.

You indirectly brought Winston into the discussion by making the crack " isn't Coker like a 10th year senior". Really his two real opportunities to take a job were against Winston and Blake sims, and to act like anyone could've beaten either out is just lunacy. Coker has had tough competition.

I'm not going to argue the " if it's close then the tie should go to the younger guy" argument because ever since that story about Cornwell taking 1st string snaps during the second scrimmage a lot of people are putting all their chips on that argument and aren't budging. So it's almost pointless to try to sway people on that point. But weren't Blake and jake close last year??? Irony

I really don't have a side in this argument because the sims vs mccaron and the jake vs Blake discussions really turned ugly amongst fans so I don't think I will overly care who ultimately wins as long as they get CNS and clk's graces. If you are asking for my prediction I would say jake only because I don't see tons of separation either way and CNS in the past has gone with the upperclassman. But if Cornwell, Barnett, or bobby joe wins the job I'm still going to support them like I would support Coker if he wins the job, and I'm not going to be upset at all if my prediction is totally wrong

 

[davefrat]

You indirectly brought Winston into the discussion by making the crack " isn't Coker like a 10th year senior". Really his two real opportunities to take a job were against Winston and Blake sims, and to act like anyone could've beaten either out is just lunacy. Coker has had tough competition.

I'm not going to argue the " if it's close then the tie should go to the younger guy" argument because ever since that story about Cornwell taking 1st string snaps during the second scrimmage a lot of people are putting all their chips on that argument and aren't budging. So it's almost pointless to try to sway people on that point. But weren't Blake and jake close last year??? Irony

I really don't have a side in this argument because the sims vs mccaron and the jake vs Blake discussions really turned ugly amongst fans so I don't think I will overly care who ultimately wins as long as they get CNS and clk's graces. If you are asking for my prediction I would say jake only because I don't see tons of separation either way and CNS in the past has gone with the upperclassman. But if Cornwell, Barnett, or bobby joe wins the job I'm still going to support them like I would support Coker if he wins the job, and I'm not going to be upset at all if my prediction is totally wrong

No, I did not.

Just because you and some others may assume that doesn't make it true.

As for last season, if they were neck and neck I probably would have said go with Coker...and maybe I did if it were a topic...and I would have been wrong.

I could be wrong in saying that if they are close cornwell should start this year.

All that being said, the idea that I brought Winston into the conversation is ridiculous.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

Honestly, the debates about the past quarterback is a moot point. What happened last year was a unique situation. CNS and others were expecting Coker to take over the starting job and then Sims just woke up and took the world by storm... Thats not a knock on Coker or anything... Coker got some significant playing time last year and it'll be a huge advantage for him coming into the fall camp. We will be fine with Coker or Cornwell... or Bateman. Coker improved throughout the season and in the offseason and clearly.. Cornwell is fighting him to the final and I dont think we'll know the starter until the day of the game. Even then, we still won't know for sure. Personally, I rather Barnett to sit this season and learn from the guy, but I don't think that will happen, because Cornwell and Barnett will get some experience in the game this year and it'll help them next year.

 

[81usaf92]

No, I did not.

Just because you and some others may assume that doesn't make it true.

As for last season, if they were neck and neck I probably would have said go with Coker...and maybe I did if it were a topic...and I would have been wrong.

I could be wrong in saying that if they are close cornwell should start this year.

All that being said, the idea that I brought Winston into the conversation is ridiculous.

So what was your point when you said "isn't Coker like a 10th year senior" then? If you throw that out there to say he couldn't start because he couldn't beat out anyone then you have to include ej, Winston, and sims to debate why he couldn't beat out his competition. So really what was your reasoning for that remark?

 

[TiderJack]

The Florida game after Blake went down wasn't meaningful? He lead us to a critical Td.

And it was in front of 100,000 people and a national TV audience.

 

[Nolan]

What will we talk about in the summer when we finally have an incumbent QB?

 

[TIDE-HSV]

What will we talk about in the summer when we finally have an incumbent QB?

Whether or not the coaches made the right choice?

 

[CrimSonami]

Whether or not the coaches made the right choice?

:biggrin: I kinda suspected you to be watching this thread given it's recent direction. :wink:


I'm sooooooo ready for the 5th!

 

[Nolan]

Whether or not the coaches made the right choice?

Probably. This topic gets so contentious. Let's see how it plays out.

 

[CrimsonForce]

From a Tuscaloosa media member.

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[gamersfuel]

no way i'd make any type of prediction on who should be QB this season. as last year showed, we wont know until we know.

 

[imauafan]

Coker almost won the job last season and is back this year so there is no reason to think he won't win the job this year. I predict he will have a big year and will be at least a 3rd-4th round NFL draft pick. That prediction is based on Kiffin's ability to develop QBs and get the most of out of them as well as CNS seems to almost always go with the more experienced player.

 

[Alasippi]

I think it will be Coker. He's mature, he has a cannon, and I think he gives us the best chance to win, "Now".
I don't buy into the, "Let's develop a QB for the future" philosophy.
You play the best players you have available NOW. And the Quarterback has to be "the guy" that the other offensive players, "Buy into".
Last year, they bought into Blake. I think it'll be Coker this year. At the least,l think he'll get the first chance.
But again, if some young buck shows up as "All that and a bucket of chicken", that's cool with me.
sip

 

[Chukker Veteran]

I know it's very unlikely but if a clear starter doesn't seperate himself over the first game or two...could we see a situation where the team we are playing and their style defense would influence which qb would start?
I understand Saban prefers finding a first stringer and going with him the great majority of the time, I was just trying to imagine a way we might see Saban bring his tendancy to alternate or fully use two or more running backs to the quarterback position.

 

[Matt0424]

CNS said something in his first press conference yesterday that stood out to me, and I think you can apply it here.

(Paraphrasing when asked about building continuity on the oline) "We're going to start the best guys, and then worry about that. We're always going to start who's best, because what good is building continuity with the wrong guys."

He spoke a little bit more on it, and I believe it relates to the QB race. The best person, regardless of class, experience, whatever is going to start. Whoever gives us the best chance to win.

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[TheTradition]

I know it's very unlikely but if a clear starter doesn't seperate himself over the first game or two...could we see a situation where the team we are playing and their style defense would influence which qb would start?
I understand Saban prefers finding a first stringer and going with him the great majority of the time, I was just trying to imagine a way we might see Saban bring his tendancy to alternate or fully use two or more running backs to the quarterback position.

I don't think Saban would ever do that. He might say he would, but I doubt it. I haven't seen many successful two QB systems. There are a few exceptions, but most of the time when you play two, it's because you don't have one. QB is a position that relays on leadership and confidence, and it's hard to have either of these if you're not out there all the time.

I personally don't think we're gonna have this problem. From what I've heard, Coker had a very good summer and is supposedly much improved. I've watched a few practice videos, and while I realize that 15 minutes of glorified warm ups means almost nothing, he looks more comfortable and more consistent. His release seems to have tightened up considerably as well. Hopefully, he can carry it over to the scrimmage next Saturday. If he can't get it done, I'm sure we can find someone that will.

 

[Redwood Forrest]

I seem to remember John Parker Wilson winning the starting spot because of his hard work, endless hours watching film and etc. I haven't seen that mentioned here so I'll throw into the experience/talent debate the "who is working the hardest" to become the best. Coach can see this just like with JPW.

 

[TideWatcher]

those are encouraging notes; I do however think that the worry with Coker is when the rush comes, recognition, and progressions. 7 on 7 he looks great. I hope he does great; guess the scrimmages in camp will be the defining moments.

I don't think Saban would ever do that. He might say he would, but I doubt it. I haven't seen many successful two QB systems. There are a few exceptions, but most of the time when you play two, it's because you don't have one. QB is a position that relays on leadership and confidence, and it's hard to have either of these if you're not out there all the time.

I personally don't think we're gonna have this problem. From what I've heard, Coker had a very good summer and is supposedly much improved. I've watched a few practice videos, and while I realize that 15 minutes of glorified warm ups means almost nothing, he looks more comfortable and more consistent. His release seems to have tightened up considerably as well. Hopefully, he can carry it over to the scrimmage next Saturday. If he can't get it done, I'm sure we can find someone that will.