Mac Jones Related News (Cam vs. MJ in New England)

[JayBama_in_PCOLA]

Eagles made it official. JH2 is QB1.

 

[BamaInBham]

Cowherd is actually spot on.

I agree for the most part with what CC said. (Btw, though I rarely listen to him or anyone else for that matter, I've always thought he was OK.) But Mac played mostly against 2s and 3s not 4s; but more importantly the week that Cam was absent, NE practiced vs the Giants and Mac played vs their starting defense and absolutely tore it up and the Giants were upset about it. They game-planned practice the next day . Something like 35-40 for many yards and multiple TDs. It was probably the final proof to CBB of his readiness, who both high-fived and low-fived Mac during that practice.

IMO, Mac's ceiling is much higher than CC thinks. He still doesn't get it: Whether it's Brady or Mac or Manning, if you are super football-smart being able to immediately diagnose the D both pre and post snap and are able to quickly and accurately get rid of the ball, you will be highly successful even in today's NFL. Mac doesn't need a great or even very good OL, just a good one - he is good in the pocket and tough. He does need another WR or 2. Brady and Mac have a big advantage over Manning because they can perform on the big stage. No one in US pro sports has had ice water like Brady and since Saban inculcated a "next play" mentality in him, Mac seems to have poise at least in the same zip code.

The ability to quickly process info negates the need for scrambling ability, with the added benefit of making the receivers happy and providing a more consistent rhythm and tempo to the offense. Even his mediocre (apparently enough) arm-strength is relieved by having a split-second more time to get the ball to the right spot.

Btw, Mac is a little faster than Mahomes, Watson and Tua, though not nearly the athlete or as strong as PM or DW and though he can throw on the move, he can't throw "off-platform" like either. But who can make some of the throws PM can? I guess Elway in the past and Rogers now can make most of them. But none of those 3 have the drive and especially poise that Brady has and hopefully Mac.

 

[81usaf92]

Can you summarize so I don't have to listen to him?

-More said this was the last straw of a line of issues that happened between Cam and the Patriots
- The competition was close but it was more that Cam angered the organization than Mac outright won it
- the Patriots leaked a lot of information on purpose to show their frustrations.

 

[81usaf92]

I agree for the most part with what CC said. (Btw, though I rarely listen to him or anyone else for that matter, I've always thought he was OK.) But Mac played mostly against 2s and 3s not 4s; but more importantly the week that Cam was absent, NE practiced vs the Giants and Mac played vs their starting defense and absolutely tore it up and the Giants were upset about it. They game-planned practice the next day . Something like 35-40 for many yards and multiple TDs. It was probably the final proof to CBB of his readiness, who both high-fived and low-fived Mac during that practice.

IMO, Mac's ceiling is much higher than CC thinks. He still doesn't get it: Whether it's Brady or Mac or Manning, if you are super football-smart being able to immediately diagnose the D both pre and post snap and are able to quickly and accurately get rid of the ball, you will be highly successful even in today's NFL. Mac doesn't need a great or even very good OL, just a good one - he is good in the pocket and tough. He does need another WR or 2. Brady and Mac have a big advantage over Manning because they can perform on the big stage. No one in US pro sports has had ice water like Brady and since Saban inculcated a "next play" mentality in him, Mac seems to have poise at least in the same zip code.

The ability to quickly process info negates the need for scrambling ability, with the added benefit of making the receivers happy and providing a more consistent rhythm and tempo to the offense. Even his mediocre (apparently enough) arm-strength is relieved by having a split-second more time to get the ball to the right spot.

Btw, Mac is a little faster than Mahomes, Watson and Tua, though not nearly the athlete or as strong as PM or DW and though he can throw on the move, he can't throw "off-platform" like either. But who can make some of the throws PM can? I guess Elway in the past and Rogers now can make most of them. But none of those 3 have the drive and especially poise that Brady has and hopefully Mac.

Well everyone that talks about Mac’s ceiling in this way is referring to his lack of running mobility. They think a dink and dunker is a dinosaur quarterback but it’s really still relevant.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

-More said this was the last straw of a line of issues that happened between Cam and the Patriots
- The competition was close but it was more that Cam angered the organization than Mac outright won it
- the Patriots leaked a lot of information on purpose to show their frustrations.

I treated some of it over in the Covid/SEC thread. However, CC has been saying for months that Jones was a mistake, so this is also a convenient fallback for him...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Well everyone that talks about Mac’s ceiling in this way is referring to his lack of running mobility. They think a dink and dunker is a dinosaur quarterback but it’s really still relevant.

Count me among those who believe the running QB in the pros is a passing fad...

 

[81usaf92]

Count me among those who believe the running QB in the pros is a passing fad...

I think the Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes types are rare. Russell Wilson and the old Ben Roethlisberger types are more successful. But what you notice is that all of them have had serious injuries early in the career and are always prone to being injured.

I think the Brady and Mac types are better investments.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I think the Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes types are rare. Russell Wilson and the old Ben Roethlisberger types are more successful. But what you notice is that all of them have had serious injuries early in the career and are always prone to being injured.

I think the Brady and Mac types are better investments.

Rodgers is sort of a hybrid. Mahomes is still young. There are a bunch of early retirees who were "dual-purpose." Cam himself is basically a cripple...

 

[81usaf92]

Rodgers is sort of a hybrid. Mahomes is still young. There are a bunch of early retirees who were "dual-purpose." Cam himself is basically a cripple...

Honestly Cam should have looked at Ben Roethlisberger’s and Russell Wilson’s careers and understood that you need to learn how to throw because being a glorified fullback is unsustainable.

 

[Ole Man Dan]

Can you summarize so I don't have to listen to him?

All things considered... Cowherd wasn't quite the 'Negative Nellie', that I was expecting. He kind of left himself a little wiggle room on his opinion of Big Mac.

 

[TitleWave]

Count me among those who believe the running QB in the pros is a passing fad...

That, or there'll be an unsurpassing fad of an ever-shortening shelf life for NFL QBs.

 

[CajunCrimson]

That, or there'll be an unsurpassing fad of an ever-shortening shelf life for NFL QBs.

there will be a shortage of supply. High schools have incorporated the dual threat qb into their offensive planning because they don’t require as big of a need for a true passer at that level. They can run an offense without the need of a deep passing game.

will create an ever increasing shortage of the pro style QB

 

[BearFoot]

What money? They saved a $1.6 mil by cutting Cam! You can’t get an NFL receiver for a mil six.

Cam made $3.5 mil in guaranteed money this year, not bad for a few months worth of work!

That’s just about the same as he made in his 6 months at Aubrun.

 

[BearFoot]

Can you summarize so I don't have to listen to him?

Here ya go:

Cowherd: “I…blah blah blah…
“Me…blah blah blah…
“My…blah blah blah…
“Look at me…yada yada yada…
“I’m never wrong…yada yada yada…
“I am the smartest man I know…yada yada yada…”

 

[CajunCrimson]

Here ya go:

Cowherd: “I…blah blah blah…
“Me…blah blah blah…
“My…blah blah blah…
“Look at me…yada yada yada…
“I’m never wrong…yada yada yada…
“I am the smartest man I know…yada yada yada…”

Cowherd is Mike Greenberg if he was from Knoxville. None of the charm, but all of the hot air.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

there will be a shortage of supply. High schools have incorporated the dual threat qb into their offensive planning because they don’t require as big of a need for a true passer at that level. They can run an offense without the need of a deep passing game.

will create an ever increasing shortage of the pro style QB

I think this is correct. Until the economics of it become clear and the NFL management realize again what valuable commodity an outstanding QB is. The present attitude of wanting the QB to double as a running back and bowl people over instead of sliding will be self-limiting...

 

[Tidewater]

there will be a shortage of supply. High schools have incorporated the dual threat qb into their offensive planning because they don’t require as big of a need for a true passer at that level. They can run an offense without the need of a deep passing game.

will create an ever increasing shortage of the pro style QB

I think the reason for Brady's long career is the simple physics: getting a 300 defensive end up and moving at full speed takes time, and frequently by the time that guy gets up and moving at full speed, Brady has already thrown the ball, so that DE does not get to hit Brady very often, quite rarely in fact. Brady is the anti-Tua in that regard. Tua played college ball as if the believed he could score a TD on every play.

 

[Padreruf]

I think the reason for Brady's long career is the simple physics: getting a 300 defensive end up and moving at full speed takes time, and frequently by the time that guy gets up and moving at full speed, Brady has already thrown the ball, so that DE does not get to hit Brady very often, quote rarely in fact. Brady is the anti-Tua in that regard. Too played college ball as if the believed he could score a TD on every play.

On target...Tua is having to learn to release the ball much earlier and settle for 8 yards rather than 80. Avoiding a hit is as much science as it is art.

 

[PattheCatinSaudi]

On target...Tua is having to learn to release the ball much earlier and settle for 8 yards rather than 80. Avoiding a hit is as much science as it is art.

Steeler great Franco Harris hot criticized a lot when he was playing for stepping out of bounds rather than take a hit to get an extra yard. He would say why should I get hit if I don’t need that yard?

 

[81usaf92]

Steeler great Franco Harris hot criticized a lot when he was playing for stepping out of bounds rather than take a hit to get an extra yard. He would say why should I get hit if I don’t need that yard?

Reggie Bush has a famous play ball the Steelers in which he flips over defenders. The media once asked him years later what he thought of it, and he basically said it made him realize that the sideline is his friend and is the difference between a 3 year career and a 10 year one because those defensive linemen are nearly as quick as he is.