Man hits someone for not standing during the national anthem

[Crimson1967]

Viral video shows Cubs fan being slapped for not standing during National Anthem

A now-viral video has sparked heated discussion online after a person at a Chicago Cubs game slapped another fan for not standing during the National Anthem.

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At a Cubs game during the national anthem an older man hit a young man who was not standing for the national anthem.

The old guy bends over at first and they exchange some words and then he slaps him in the back of the head and the young guy then stands up.

Had I been nearby I would have sat down in support of the guy who was hit. If he hits me I am notifying the police and telling them I am pressing charges against him. At very least I want him kicked out of Wrigley.

I stand for the anthem but if others don’t that’s not my concern.

 

[It Takes Eleven]

I'm not much for anyone forcing anyone to do anything, but I can walk with my feet and dollars if I don't agree with something. This did remind me of a time when action - not violence - was right. I love the Rick Monday play, and the recognition of the 50 year anniversary of the play.

 

[Bazza]

I heard they went out for a beer together after the game...lol......

 

[Crimson1967]

I heard they went out for a beer together after the game...lol......

I wish he had punched the old jerk in the gut.

 

[TDBama78]

It was at that moment that he knew he was not in time out.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I wish he had punched the old jerk in the gut.

That or at least flagged an usher to get that old man thrown out.

Young man was probably afraid to get thrown out himself or get arrested so I get why he didn’t do anything.

That Old man is going to eventually pull that crap on the wrong person and find himself trying to locate his teeth and he will have earned it.

Nobody has the right to just put their hands on other person like that.

 

[Bazza]

I wish he had punched the old jerk in the gut.

I don't.

The kid stood up right away because he knew the old man - a Vietnam veteran - was right.

From what I understand they both apologized to each other and like I said went out for a beer after the game.

It wasn't really a vicious knock to the head as much as a slap to get the kid's attention, which he did. I don't condone it but I understand it.

 

[Bazza]

 

[Crimson1967]

I don't.

The kid stood up right away because he knew the old man - a Vietnam veteran - was right.

From what I understand they both apologized to each other and like I said went out for a beer after the game.

It wasn't really a vicious knock to the head as much as a slap to get the kid's attention, which he did. I don't condone it but I understand it.

Would you have understood it if he smacked this guy in the back of the head?

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I don't.

The kid stood up right away because he knew the old man - a Vietnam veteran - was right.

From what I understand they both apologized to each other and like I said went out for a beer after the game.

It wasn't really a vicious knock to the head as much as a slap to get the kid's attention, which he did. I don't condone it but I understand it.

I consider myself patriotic. I'm not a zealous idiot mind you, but I'm proud of the country and want others to be proud as well. But in this day and age, considering the culturual and political climate we live in, I wouldn't advise anyone doing what this older gentleman did. We literally just had a man shot and killed over a dispute about a parking spot at a Wal Mart. I've watched cell phone footage of people being brutally beaten over cutting in line at a convenient store. He is very lucky this situation didn't instantly blow up in his face.

 

[Crimson1967]

I don't.

The kid stood up right away because he knew the old man - a Vietnam veteran - was right.

From what I understand they both apologized to each other and like I said went out for a beer after the game.

It wasn't really a vicious knock to the head as much as a slap to get the kid's attention, which he did. I don't condone it but I understand it.

I would have understood it if the guy had punched him in the mouth. You don’t get to slap someone in the back of the head just because he hurt your feelings. I thought your fellow Trumpers liked to say “to heck with your feelings”.

 

[Bazza]

I consider myself patriotic. I'm not a zealous idiot mind you, but I'm proud of the country and want others to be proud as well. But in this day and age, considering the culturual and political climate we live in, I wouldn't advise anyone doing what this older gentleman did. We literally just had a man shot and killed over a dispute about a parking spot at a Wal Mart. I've watched cell phone footage of people being brutally beaten over cutting in line at a convenient store. He is very lucky this situation didn't instantly blow up in his face.

And as I said, I don't condone it.

As long as there are humans - there will be conflicts.

The question will always be......do you escalate the situation....or do you de-escalate the situation.

In this case, the young man de-escalated. Both parties ended up apologizing over beers and I can guarantee you both learned from it --- and that older man to his dying day will regret doing what he did.

In that parking lot situation you mentioned....while we don't know the words that were exchanged......it doesn't seem that either party chose to de-escalate.

This situation ended well. That one you mentioned didn't end well.

As an aside....I'm not really sure we - as a society - do a very good job of teaching how to resolve conflict.

For me, it would just be a simple matter to explain the fork in the road. One road leads to escalation.....the other to de-escalation. Which road do you take when faced with a conflict with another human being? Like Coach Saban always says...life is about choices.

In sales......we have another way of putting it. We say you can put people in two different categories. One category are the "competitors"...the other group are the "collaborators".

The "collaborators" at least make an attempt to see your side of things and try to work with you.

The "competitors" really only think of things from their 'side'.

In business - the ideal situation is to work in collaboration with others. And it's the same in one's personal life.

Obviously, you can't control another person's way of thinking. Which goes back to that fork in the road. Do you choose escalation....or de-escalation.

For me, this incident isn't as much about patriotism as it is about conflict resolution.

If only all conflicts could end with a beer summit......the world would be a better place!

 

[Crimson1967]

The world would be a better place if people didn’t hit total strangers in the back of the head for no reason.

 

[Huckleberry]

And as I said, I don't condone it.

As long as there are humans - there will be conflicts.

The question will always be......do you escalate the situation....or do you de-escalate the situation.

In this case, the young man de-escalated. Both parties ended up apologizing over beers and I can guarantee you both learned from it --- and that older man to his dying day will regret doing what he did.

In that parking lot situation you mentioned....while we don't know the words that were exchanged......it doesn't seem that either party chose to de-escalate.

This situation ended well. That one you mentioned didn't end well.

As an aside....I'm not really sure we - as a society - do a very good job of teaching how to resolve conflict.

For me, it would just be a simple matter to explain the fork in the road. One road leads to escalation.....the other to de-escalation. Which road do you take when faced with a conflict with another human being? Like Coach Saban always says...life is about choices.

In sales......we have another way of putting it. We say you can put people in two different categories. One category are the "competitors"...the other group are the "collaborators".

The "collaborators" at least make an attempt to see your side of things and try to work with you.

The "competitors" really only think of things from their 'side'.

In business - the ideal situation is to work in collaboration with others. And it's the same in one's personal life.

Obviously, you can't control another person's way of thinking. Which goes back to that fork in the road. Do you choose escalation....or de-escalation.

For me, this incident isn't as much about patriotism as it is about conflict resolution.

If only all conflicts could end with a beer summit......the world would be a better place!

Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy - Wikipedia

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I wish we still had a president who would be a collaborator.

 

[Tidewater]

I do not know this guy's background other then his allegedly having been a soldier who served in Vietnam), but I would bet he received worse during his life for lesser offenses (I know I did).
That said, I would not recommend striking anyone on the back of the head for sitting through the national anthem. The striker is leaving himself open to having charges pressed against him for assault. Only the kindness of the victim stopped him from getting prosecuted.
The bigger issue is how to deal with someone who commits of faux pas. In my view it is a teachable moment. Verbally suggest the guy stand up during the anthem, and then, once it is done, explain customs and courtesies to the guy, who, if he was not a boy scout, probably has never had the issue explained to him.
Recently, a local museum was placing US flags on the wall for the USA 250 observances. One young lady in her early 20s let the flag touch the floor. The president of the museum (in his late 60s) went absolutely ballistic, screaming at her for disrespecting the flag. The young lady responded, "Nobody ever told me flag customs and courtesies."

 

[92tide]

I do not know this guy's background other then his allegedly having been a soldier who served in Vietnam), but I would bet he received worse during his life for lesser offenses (I know I did).
That said, I would not recommend striking anyone on the back of the head for sitting through the national anthem. The striker is leaving himself open to having charges pressed against him for assault. Only the kindness of the victim stopped him from getting prosecuted.
The bigger issue is how to deal with someone who commits of faux pas. In my view it is a teachable moment. Verbally suggest the guy stand up during the anthem, and then, once it is done, explain customs and courtesies to the guy, who, if he was not a boy scout, probably has never had the issue explained to him.
Recently, a local museum was placing US flags on the wall for the USA 250 observances. One young lady in her early 20s let the flag touch the floor. The president of the museum (in his late 60s) went absolutely ballistic, screaming at her for disrespecting the flag. The young lady responded, "Nobody ever told me flag customs and courtesies."

or he could have just minded his own damned business

 

[Tidewater]

or he could have just minded his own damned business

I think calmly explaining customs and courtesies to the young man after the anthem is done is itself important. If he has never had that explained to him, he might be willing to stand up during the national anthem next time. No harm done in talking to the young man.

 

[92tide]

I think calmly explaining customs and courtesies to the young man after the anthem is done is itself important. If he has never had that explained to him, he might be willing to stand up during the national anthem next time. No harm done in talking to the young man.

i can see that. i just think it's pretty presumptuous to police random people's behavior in public like that

on a personal note, i do not like that the anthem is played at literally every sporting event and think it should be reserved for games on holidays or international competition.

 

[Tidewater]

i can see that. i just think it's pretty presumptuous to police random people's behavior in public like that

on a personal note, i do not like that the anthem is played at literally every sporting event and think it should be reserved for games on holidays or international competition.

Understood. I guess by now it is custom.

On a related not, I am not a big fan of a football team carrying the national flag out onto the field coming out of the locker room.

Is the Tejas football team somehow supposed to be representing the US in the coming contest?

 

[crimsonaudio]

i can see that. i just think it's pretty presumptuous to police random people's behavior in public like that

on a personal note, i do not like that the anthem is played at literally every sporting event and think it should be reserved for games on holidays or international competition.

Agreed on both counts.

I don't put my hand on heart and sing along for the anthem unless it feels like an appropriate moment (before a sporting event rarely counts). I do stand out of respect, but that's due in part to my being an old man who doesn't understand the desire of so many people nowadays to ignore common social courtesies.