Mass/Active shooters part 4

[NationalTitles18]

You don’t know how a double barrel shotgun works or the difference between a single action revolver and a double action revolver or that the differences even existed and you are trying to tell the board what you think should be done with gun control.

And how did you come up with the idea that I don't know the difference?

You seem to imagine I said things I didn't say and you do this constantly.

In any case, it does not matter.

Anyone who thinks you need to be an expert on guns to have an opinion on gun control is just looking for a reason to denigrate an opinion with which they disagree.

Gun trivia and gun control are two entirely different entities.

Any reasonable person knows this.

 

[BamaFlum]

I’m using my phone so there might be some thumb errors but here it goes:

Solutions:
1. ALL agencies on a common system for background checks, period.
2. If a person is dismissed from ANY law enforcement agency and/or the military, they would barred from owning or purchasing a firearm until cleared by a medical professional.
3. Red flag law but only thru a medical professional and a judge. If a person is thought to be a danger to him/herself or others, he or she should be reported to law enforcement and/or a medical professional who will interview said person. If necessary, said person will be temporarily placed flagged prohibited from owning or purchasing a firearm. Once a full evaluation has been done and the person is cleared by medical professional, the flag will be immediately removed.
4. If the age is moved to 21, then the selective service/draft is also moved to 21. 18-20 can still volunteer. If an 18-20 year old is in the military and/or law enforcement, after training, they may own and purchase firearms.
5. A. Armed marshals in all schools. These marshals are for protection. If the population is large, at least two marshals with on being a plains clothes officer.
5. B. If a teacher is willing to go through training and volunteers, allow armed teachers where marshals are not available (small and/or rural districts).Only select individuals would know who is armed.

Limiting magazine capacity is a fool’s errand. A perpetrator could just carry extra magazines.

Banning semiautomatic rifles was ineffective previously (look up the FBI report when that ban was lifted-they determined people just used different weapons-Columbine was done with shotguns and pistols during that ban).

Ok, not BS, just offering what I believe are reasonable solutions.

 

[AWRTR]

And how did you come up with the idea that I don't know the difference?

You seem to imagine I said things I didn't say and you do this constantly.

In any case, it does not matter.

Anyone who thinks you need to be an expert on guns to have an opinion on gun control is just looking for a reason to denigrate an opinion with which they disagree.

Gun trivia and gun control are two entirely different entities.

Any reasonable person knows this.

When you speak on something a workng knowledge is always good. You obviously didn’t know from the statements you made. It’s cool I don’t know a lot about operating a boat so when it comes to laws and regulations related to boating I should get some working knowledge to form an educated opinion.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Yup, the daily urban handgun carnage is much worse, overall, than the nut going crazy with a misplaced (usually) grievance with an assault rifle. But not as news worthy.

This observation is spot-on. What I can't understand for the life of me is why everyone has such a "meh" attitude about this.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I still don't understand the fixation with the AR-15 -- other than it looks military and some nutjobs have stoked their egos with that and used them to do really nasty things.

Is a .223 round fired from an AR-15 any more deadly than a .223 round fired from another rifle? If so, I now understand, but am curious as to what it is about the AR-15 that has that effect.

If not, the position really needs to be banning all rifles that fire the .223 round. Or, if that's not realistic, go at it some other way....like the high-capacity magazines.

 

[Bamaro]

This observation is spot-on. What I can't understand for the life of me is why everyone has such a "meh" attitude about this.

IMO, it's because it's, to a large part, poor, predominately blacks in the inner cities shooting, injuring and killing other poor blacks. More often than not, 'innocents' are not being shot. It only makes the news when the shootings are mixed race/socio economics or multiple murders from the same incident, much like individual car accidents get little press but accidents with multiple deaths get noticed.

 

[Bamaro]

I still don't understand the fixation with the AR-15 -- other than it looks military and some nutjobs have stoked their egos with that and used them to do really nasty things.

Is a .223 round fired from an AR-15 any more deadly than a .223 round fired from another rifle? If so, I now understand, but am curious as to what it is about the AR-15 that has that effect.

If not, the position really needs to be banning all rifles that fire the .223 round. Or, if that's not realistic, go at it some other way....like the high-capacity magazines.

Maybe this would be better answered by the perps.
They sure do have a fixation with 'assault weapons'.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

IMO, it's because it's, to a large part, poor, predominately blacks in the inner cities shooting, injuring and killing other poor blacks. More often than not, 'innocents' are not being shot. It only makes the news when the shootings are mixed race/socio economics or multiple murders from the same incident, much like individual car accidents get little press but accidents with multiple deaths get noticed.

Yeah, that's almost certainly true. It does seem to me that most of the outrage towards guns only blossoms when guns are a threat to white people or their precious safe spaces (i.e. gated communities, churches, private schools, etc.) If 100% of gun violence were limited to intraracial events (and more specifically black--on-black violence) we'd almost certainly never hear about it.

 

[92tide]

This observation is spot-on. What I can't understand for the life of me is why everyone has such a "meh" attitude about this.

y’all keep trying to make this an either/or thing and using that as a red herring. i’m all for enacting much stricter regulations on all firearms as i’m sure a lot of folks are

 

[92tide]

Yeah, that's almost certainly true. It does seem to me that most of the outrage towards guns only blossoms when guns are a threat to white people or their precious safe spaces (i.e. gated communities, churches, private schools, etc.) If 100% of gun violence were limited to intraracial events (and more specifically black--on-black violence) we'd almost certainly never hear about it.

there have long been tons of groups trying to deal with guns and inner city violence for a long time.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

y’all keep trying to make this an either/or thing and using that to as a red herring. i’m all for enacting much stricter regulations on all firearms as i’m sure a lot of folks are

And we have to start somewhere

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Right now in Belgrade. They are protesting for better security, violence on TV bans and resignation of key officials after TWO mass shootings. Just two.

We've had over 200 this year alone and can't get the GOP to even approach the table. Mass shootings are a business in this country. They create fear and fear drives gun sells. Gun sells power the NRA who pays off the right to keep stricter laws off the table. Capitalism at it's finest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/13frw3q

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I still don't understand the fixation with the AR-15 -- other than it looks military and some nutjobs have stoked their egos with that and used them to do really nasty things.

Is a .223 round fired from an AR-15 any more deadly than a .223 round fired from another rifle? If so, I now understand, but am curious as to what it is about the AR-15 that has that effect.

If not, the position really needs to be banning all rifles that fire the .223 round. Or, if that's not realistic, go at it some other way....like the high-capacity magazines.

No, no difference in the round. However, the AR-15 is relatively light and carbine length. On top of that, over the years, the AR has become infinitely customizable - red dot sights, threaded barrels for muzzle brakes and silencers. And, of course, the infamous outsized magazines...

 

[crimsonaudio]

I’m using my phone so there might be some thumb errors but here it goes:

Solutions:
1. ALL agencies on a common system for background checks, period.
2. If a person is dismissed from ANY law enforcement agency and/or the military, they would barred from owning or purchasing a firearm until cleared by a medical professional.
3. Red flag law but only thru a medical professional and a judge. If a person is thought to be a danger to him/herself or others, he or she should be reported to law enforcement and/or a medical professional who will interview said person. If necessary, said person will be temporarily placed flagged prohibited from owning or purchasing a firearm. Once a full evaluation has been done and the person is cleared by medical professional, the flag will be immediately removed.
4. If the age is moved to 21, then the selective service/draft is also moved to 21. 18-20 can still volunteer. If an 18-20 year old is in the military and/or law enforcement, after training, they may own and purchase firearms.
5. A. Armed marshals in all schools. These marshals are for protection. If the population is large, at least two marshals with on being a plains clothes officer.
5. B. If a teacher is willing to go through training and volunteers, allow armed teachers where marshals are not available (small and/or rural districts).Only select individuals would know who is armed.

Limiting magazine capacity is a fool’s errand. A perpetrator could just carry extra magazines.

Banning semiautomatic rifles was ineffective previously (look up the FBI report when that ban was lifted-they determined people just used different weapons-Columbine was done with shotguns and pistols during that ban).

Ok, not BS, just offering what I believe are reasonable solutions.

Good post, imo.

Add real mental health care and I suspect we'd see a difference pretty quickly.

 

[BamaFlum]

Good post, imo.

Add real mental health care and I suspect we'd see a difference pretty quickly.

Thanks. Any politician starting here should have good support. It would mollify the gun control supports (for a while) and it should be reasonable for the 2A supporters.

 

[Go Bama]

Thanks. Any politician starting here should have good support. It would mollify the gun control supports (for a while) and it should be reasonable for the 2A supporters.

You lost me at 5B. I don’t think it’s a good idea to have a non-professional concealed carry around children. There’s also the question of how much to compensate these teachers for putting their lives in harm’s way. There are 90,148 public schools in the US. Paying marshals and armed teachers will add to the budget. Also, should a teacher be paid any less than a marshal for doing exactly the same job?

My other disagreement is calling magazine limitations a fool’s errand. IMO, it’s a step in the right direction which the majority of people support.

I’ll agree your post is a good starting point.

 

[92tide]

Thanks. Any politician starting here should have good support. It would mollify the gun control supports (for a while) and it should be reasonable for the 2A supporters.

i don't think that gun control support and 2a support are mutually exclusive, but so much of this (the royal this) discussion is framed around that premise.

 

[NationalTitles18]

i don't think that gun control support and 2a support are mutually exclusive, but so much of this (the royal this) discussion is framed around that premise.

My educated guess is that most of us wanting gun control measures are actually gun owners.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I’m using my phone so there might be some thumb errors but here it goes:

Solutions:
1. ALL agencies on a common system for background checks, period.
2. If a person is dismissed from ANY law enforcement agency and/or the military, they would barred from owning or purchasing a firearm until cleared by a medical professional.
3. Red flag law but only thru a medical professional and a judge. If a person is thought to be a danger to him/herself or others, he or she should be reported to law enforcement and/or a medical professional who will interview said person. If necessary, said person will be temporarily placed flagged prohibited from owning or purchasing a firearm. Once a full evaluation has been done and the person is cleared by medical professional, the flag will be immediately removed.
4. If the age is moved to 21, then the selective service/draft is also moved to 21. 18-20 can still volunteer. If an 18-20 year old is in the military and/or law enforcement, after training, they may own and purchase firearms.
5. A. Armed marshals in all schools. These marshals are for protection. If the population is large, at least two marshals with on being a plains clothes officer.
5. B. If a teacher is willing to go through training and volunteers, allow armed teachers where marshals are not available (small and/or rural districts).Only select individuals would know who is armed.

Limiting magazine capacity is a fool’s errand. A perpetrator could just carry extra magazines.

Banning semiautomatic rifles was ineffective previously (look up the FBI report when that ban was lifted-they determined people just used different weapons-Columbine was done with shotguns and pistols during that ban).

Ok, not BS, just offering what I believe are reasonable solutions.

BTW, semi-autos were never banned. In addition to large mags, the regs which were really all cosmetic, in an attempt to describe an AR-15 - pistol grip, etc. My suggestion, which I made long ago was simpler - do away with detachable mags altogether, except for LEOs and military. Sure, some would leak out to criminals, but that happens with all gun limitations...

 

[81usaf92]

I suspect the ERs in most major cities are gunshot wound bonanzas most nights.

Yep saw it about every night I worked.