Matt Ryan benched

[DzynKingRTR]

Mediocre future hall of famer has been benched.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34870574/colts-bench-qb-matt-ryan-start-sam-ehlinger-rest-way

 

[B1GTide]

They aren't going to make the Playoffs with him this year, so it makes sense. Gives them time to better evaluate Sam and decide what they need to do in the draft

 

[DzynKingRTR]

They aren't going to make the Playoffs with him this year, so it makes sense. Gives them time to better evaluate Sam and decide what they need to do in the draft

Frankly Atlanta needs to go ahead and bench Mariotta as well. Give their rookie a shot and see if he is trash.

 

[BamaNation]

The inability of ATL to improve is incomprehensible. So much so that for the first time in my memory, I couldn't care less what happens to them.

Matt Ryan was washed up 4 years ago.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Mediocre future hall of famer has been benched.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34870574/colts-bench-qb-matt-ryan-start-sam-ehlinger-rest-way

I hope the HOF voters have enough sense to understand their job is to:
a) view the player in the context of HIS TIME - AND
b) view the player in the context of ALL-TIME

Matt Ryan and Eli Manning are no more HOFers than I am.

YES, they have big numbers.....because of the time when they played.

Yet if Atlanta had beaten Brady in 51, he'd be a first-ballot no questions asked BY THE VOTING.

Neither he nor Eli is one, Stafford right now is borderline.

 

[B1GTide]

I hope the HOF voters have enough sense to understand their job is to:
a) view the player in the context of HIS TIME - AND
b) view the player in the context of ALL-TIME

Matt Ryan and Eli Manning are no more HOFers than I am.

YES, they have big numbers.....because of the time when they played.

Yet if Atlanta had beaten Brady in 51, he'd be a first-ballot no questions asked BY THE VOTING.

Neither he nor Eli is one, Stafford right now is borderline.

Eli gets in because of his amazing performances in two playoff runs that ended in Superbowl rings. That is the type of thing that always gets guys in, in pretty much every sport. Ryan has nothing but stats to get him in. I just don't see him in a gold jacket.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Eli gets in because of his amazing performances in two playoff runs that ended in Superbowl rings. That is the type of thing that always gets guys in, in pretty much every sport. Ryan has nothing but stats to get him in. I just don't see him in a gold jacket.

The argument here among the Ryan fanboys is if you let Julio in you "have to" let the guy that threw to him in.

 

[B1GTide]

The argument here among the Ryan fanboys is if you let Julio in you "have to" let the guy that threw to him in.

Well, being totally honest, I am not sure that Julio gets in.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Well, being totally honest, I am not sure that Julio gets in.

When healthy, Julio is a no doubt Hall of Fame receiver. The problem is that most of his pro career, he hasn't been healthy.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Eli gets in because of his amazing performances in two playoff runs that ended in Superbowl rings. That is the type of thing that always gets guys in, in pretty much every sport.

You're probably right - but it's lame and stupid.

I sure don't see Jim Plunkett in the Hall of Fame.

And he's the same thing:
- a .500 record as a QB
- 2 Super Bowl rings
- both led the league in INT (3 times for Eli, 1 for Jim)
- never led the league in TDs

His other numbers are a reflection of a completely different time (like the fact the passing game wasn't opened up until 1978, when Plunkett had been in the league for 7 years)

Was Eli for any extended period one of the four best QBs in the NFL (top 10%)?

You're not wrong - he's probably going.

But he has no business being there.

"Super Bowls" is a TEAM accomplishment - and yes, I know all the QB arguments.

But many better QBs never won one (Marino, Tarkenton, etc)

 

[DzynKingRTR]

You're probably right - but it's lame and stupid.

I sure don't see Jim Plunkett in the Hall of Fame.

And he's the same thing:
- a .500 record as a QB
- 2 Super Bowl rings
- both led the league in INT (3 times for Eli, 1 for Jim)
- never led the league in TDs

His other numbers are a reflection of a completely different time (like the fact the passing game wasn't opened up until 1978, when Plunkett had been in the league for 7 years)

Was Eli for any extended period one of the four best QBs in the NFL (top 10%)?

You're not wrong - he's probably going.

But he has no business being there.

"Super Bowls" is a TEAM accomplishment - and yes, I know all the QB arguments.

But many better QBs never won one (Marino, Tarkenton, etc)

Plunkett haad the misfortune of playing for the wrong team. The voters hate the Raiders (so do I). I would put money on if Plunkett plays for the Giants, he would be in automatically.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

The argument here among the Ryan fanboys is if you let Julio in you "have to" let the guy that threw to him in.

"If this one then that one" is the worst argument in the history of "Hall of Fame arguments."

That argument ASSUMES that any player who is better than the WORST player ever elected is a HOFer.
That would work - if the voters never made mistakes.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

The argument here among the Ryan fanboys is if you let Julio in you "have to" let the guy that threw to him in.

I know I'm gonna sound like a broken record but this is the "Don Drysdale argument."

Marry him to another player - and then demand the opponent refute the idea that TOGETHER the two weren't great (in Drysdale's case, Sandy Koufax).

If Don Drysdale had pitched for the Washington Senators-Minnesota Twins of the same era, none of you would have ever heard of him.

 

[CrimsonTheory]

Eli gets in because he played in NY.

Neither Ryan or Eli should get in because neither was considered a top 5 QB of their generation.

Heck, look at the NYG record with Eli at QB? They are 117-117 with Eli as stater. HOF players are impact players and Eli is far from being an impact player. In fact Eli is closer to a stat paddler than a HOF.

If Eli and Ryan gets into the HOF, it'll confirm that the HOF is no longer about being elite, just merely "good enough."

 

[DzynKingRTR]

@selmaborntidefan the Ryan fanboys are crazy over here. There was one that actually said "Matt Ryan is oneofthe greatest QBs of all time" these were actual words said by an actual sports commentator in Atlanta. I almost wrecked my car because I was so flabbergasted and disgusted at the same

 

[selmaborntidefan]

@selmaborntidefan the Ryan fanboys are crazy over here. There was one that actually said "Matt Ryan is oneofthe greatest QBs of all time" these were actual words said by an actual sports commentator in Atlanta. I almost wrecked my cat because I was so flabbergasted and disgusted at the same

Hope the cat is okay.......

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Hope the cat is okay.......

Damn fat fingers. Car

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Plunkett haad the misfortune of playing for the wrong team. The voters hate the Raiders (so do I). I would put money on if Plunkett plays for the Giants, he would be in automatically.

I get the spirit of what you're saying - but Phil Simms isn't in the Hall.
And "well, he didn't play in the Super Bowl" is kinda lame since he was the better QB the second time.

Plunkett didn't make it because he wasn't a HOF QB.
Same with Simms.

But Simms was a better Giants QB in his time than Eli was in his, too.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

I get the spirit of what you're saying - but Phil Simms isn't in the Hall.
And "well, he didn't play in the Super Bowl" is kinda lame since he was the better QB the second time.

Plunkett didn't make it because he wasn't a HOF QB.
Same with Simms.

But Simms was a better Giants QB in his time than Eli was in his, too.

For some reason I thought Simms was in.