Musk Acquired Twitter: Part Deux

[NationalTitles18]

Save the children, or something...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/12/tech/twitter-disbands-trust-and-safety-council/index.html

A page on Twitter’s website, which has now been removed, explained that the council was made up of external expert organizations that advised on issues including online safety, human and digital rights, suicide prevention, mental health, child sexual exploitation, and dehumanization.

“Together, they advocate for safety and advise us as we develop our products, programs, and rules,” Twitter previously explained.

Three members of the council resigned in protest last week, writing in a statement that “contrary to claims by Elon Musk, the safety and wellbeing of Twitter’s users are on the decline.”

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Normally, I would totally agree. We're in WW3 right now, though. Spanish Civil War analogue in Ukraine and Russia re-running the NAZI propaganda /sabotage to our form of government with every kind of asymetric tactic imaginable. Really hard to walk a middle path. I don't trust / want the FBI or DHS moderating content but neither do I want unfettered foreign attacks on our country.

A lot of neo-isolationists want to think that Ukraine has nothing to do with us...

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Normally, I would totally agree. We're in WW3 right now, though. Spanish Civil War analogue in Ukraine and Russia re-running the NAZI propaganda /sabotage to our form of government with every kind of asymetric tactic imaginable. Really hard to walk a middle path. I don't trust / want the FBI or DHS moderating content but neither do I want unfettered foreign attacks on our country.

Fair enough, but how far is too far? Would we feel this way if the president suspended habeas corpus and started jailing journalists? Or if we started putting Russian-Americans into internment camps? They say what's past is prologue and it's quite the slippery slope from having free speech violated to the events I've just described. These aren't insane conspiracy theories; this is actual American history we're talking about. Are constitutional rights real or largely illusory? I get a stomach ache every time I ask myself that question.

 

[Jon]

Normally, I would totally agree. We're in WW3 right now, though. Spanish Civil War analogue in Ukraine and Russia re-running the NAZI propaganda /sabotage to our form of government with every kind of asymetric tactic imaginable. Really hard to walk a middle path. I don't trust / want the FBI or DHS moderating content but neither do I want unfettered foreign attacks on our country.

the problem here of course is that we have exactly no evidence of the FBI or DHS moderating content. That decision was squarely on Twitter, the FBI and DHS shared what they were concerned about and Twitter acted as they wanted. People are acting like Twitter gave access to the Government to do as they wish and I have seen no evidence that this is true.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

the problem here of course is that we have exactly no evidence of the FBI or DHS moderating content. That decision was squarely on Twitter, the FBI and DHS shared what they were concerned about and Twitter acted as they wanted. People are acting like Twitter gave access to the Government to do as they wish and I have seen no evidence that this is true.

So if members of the Trump administration had gone to Twitter execs and "asked" them to suppress dissent against said administration and Twitter complied, you would have been okay with that? I don't think you would and neither would I.

 

[dtgreg]

So if members of the Trump administration had gone to Twitter execs and "asked" them to suppress dissent against said administration and Twitter complied, you would have been okay with that? I don't think you would and neither would I.

I'm not sure they didn't.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I'm not sure they didn't.

And maybe they did. Or probably they did. I'd like to know one way or another. I think most of us would.

 

[Jon]

So if members of the Trump administration had gone to Twitter execs and "asked" them to suppress dissent against said administration and Twitter complied, you would have been okay with that? I don't think you would and neither would I.

you do realize that we are talking about members of the Trump administration don't you? The FBI and DHS were being run by Trump appointees at the time

 

[AWRTR]

you do realize that we are talking about members of the Trump administration don't you? The FBI and DHS were being run by Trump appointees at the time

If you think the FBI and DHS bureaucracy were in Trump's pocket I have some ocean front property to sell you in Arizona, and a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in.

 

[2003TIDE]

If you think the FBI and DHS bureaucracy were in Trump's pocket I have some ocean front property to sell you in Arizona, and a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in.

ROFL.

let me guess, something, something, deep state?

 

[CrimsonJazz]

you do realize that we are talking about members of the Trump administration don't you? The FBI and DHS were being run by Trump appointees at the time

The under-handed stuff that Twitter was doing occurred under both administrations. Not at all surprising, really.

 

[2003TIDE]

The moderation that Twitter was doing occurred under both administrations. Not at all surprising, really.

FIFY

 

[CrimsonJazz]

FIFY

Ah, just routine moderation. Got it. That totally explains why Jack Dorsey lied to Congress about whether or not Twitter was "shadow-banning" certain voices from his platform.

 

[AWRTR]

ROFL.

let me guess, something, something, deep state?

The bureaucracy of DC didn't like Trump and neither do I, and to pretend they were on his side is just blind foolishness. They hate the guy, and tried to get rid of him from day one. I'm not saying they were wrong about him. After the election 2020 and Jan. 6th stuff I'm with them that he needs to go away and never be heard from again. I'm hoping he's indicted and drops out of the election. I know his dropping out is about as likely as the sun turning blue, but I can hope.

Take off your ideological glasses for a moment and understand the Washington elite and most of the career people wanted Trump out, and know that was a driving force for what they did.

 

[2003TIDE]

You guys obviously don't realize shadow-banning is a form of moderation. Reddit and other platforms do it. I'm sorry your "news" sources got you all scared about a new term without explaining what it was, but your whole set of talking points are funny.

 

[AWRTR]

You guys obviously don't realize shadow-banning is a form of moderation. Reddit and other platforms do it. I'm sorry your "news" sources got you all scared about a new term without explaining what it was.

The issue comes in when the platform said they weren't doing it, and then clearly were. They lied outright to the public and Dorsey lied to Congress under oath. Look at how a different group of people are now losing their minds since Musk is in charge because the fear is that "moderation" will go in a different direction, and control will be lost to the other side.

 

[2003TIDE]

The issue comes in when the platform said they weren't doing it, and then clearly were.

TBH who cares. I've only glanced at summaries these "earth shattering" Twitter files. It seems they limited whos feed troll accounts showed up on which is related to their feed algo and not "shadow banning." Shadow banning is disabling a users posts to all other users without them knowing. 2 different things.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

So he innovated paypal by merging his company with the one who came up with the idea for it?

He innovated at Tesla by investing his money and taking over as CEO after the first car was produced (and delivered to him). By June of 2009, Tesla had delivered 500 units. So you are just incorrect according to the intrawebs.

He's a savvy investor. That takes skills.

An innovator?

Not really.

He start investing money in Tesla in 2004, 5 years before the first car rolled off the line. He had an active role in the company and oversaw the design and production of the Roadster. So, he wasn't made CEO until after the first one was made, big deal. He was still involved in its production.

 

[92tide]

you do realize that we are talking about members of the Trump administration don't you? The FBI and DHS were being run by Trump appointees at the time

details, schmetails. it’s all exactly the same if you zoom out far enough

 

[92tide]

TBH who cares. I've only glanced at summaries these "earth shattering" Twitter files. It seems they limited whos feed troll accounts showed up on which is related to their feed algo and not "shadow banning." Shadow banning is disabling a users posts to all other users without them knowing. 2 different things.

if you dig deep enough, you will find out the truth that was suppressed about tara reade