Bama Game Thread: Official PostGame Thread - Bama @ FSU...

[AlexanderFan]

I think too many are caught under the “he was left with a loaded roster” argument. Back up until about 2018 I would have said that too, but it is an entirely different sport. The transfer portal mixed with nil have effectively made rosters less permanent and forced coaches to constantly have to sell themselves and recruit their own team every day. So really DeBoer wasn’t left this national championship team that everyone who uses this argument seems to suggest.

But then you realize that the 22 Alabama team was by far the most talented roster of all time with Alabama’s best quarterback returning. Yet we lost to Tennessee and an average LSU team to cost us the playoffs. Our development of players has sucked for along time and we have lived purely off talent since then. The undisciplined Alabama team isn’t something new… we’ve seen this crap since 2021. It’s just more apparent now because we can’t adjust in game to counter it. Thats probably the one real thing I’m disappointed with DeBoer over. If we get caught being unable to stop someone early then our defense won’t be able to stop it all game so you best hope the offense can outscore them.

Well before DeBoer came Alabama was consistently losing the battles at the line of scrimmage.

People just want to blame DeBoer because it’s hard to blame a guy with a lot of national championships

 

[bamaga]

I expected to see a much different and productive offensive game called with Grubb at the helm. For one drive, I thought my expectations were going to be met. Thereafter, it was much like last year. The play of the offensive line was embarrassing.

I’m not a football coach and don’t have many answers. Unfortunately, I fear our coaching staff doesn‘t either. This game looked and felt a lot like Michigan, Oklahoma, and Vanderbilt last year. I allowed myself to believe things were going to be different this year. So far, not so much and nothing said by the coach after the game leads me to believe much will change this season.

If we continue to get beaten on the scoreboard and otherwise by double digit underdogs, changes have to be made. The University has far too much invested for this sort of return.

I’m not sold on our defense, really not. When we didn’t score on that second drive , and they did, I knew it was going to be a long day. The Overall Gameplan was sound, Pound the ball , mix in some passes, play good defense and limit mistakes from a new QB. When we got that phantom penalty on a third down stop , and they gained momentum , it was over. The gameplan went out the window when they scored the second TD.

 

[OconeeTide]

For those ready to fire him, we need 69 of yall to pony up a million each...just for perspective. Actually, throw in another 100 grand for the assistants.

I am concerned sure, but my torch and pitchfork remains in the garage a bit longer.

Best i can do is 20 bucks and a pack of skittles

 

[DzynKingRTR]

My first pick would have been Lanning. Second would have been Kiffin.

same for me

 

[DzynKingRTR]

College football is dead to me.

Friend from work texted me.

Him: What the heck happened to Bama yesterday?

Me: Don't know what you are talking about. There was no college football yesterday. The season was canceled.

 

[Tide&True]

What little passion I had for college football was pretty much extinguished today.

I tried, but I just am not feeling it. I've been posting quite a lot about this over the last couple of years - the way the game has changed (x-fer portal, pay for play, etc) has basically ruined the sport for me. I had hoped watching the game today would get me fired up, but in reality, I'm not even upset Bama lost. I feel no connection to this team, and they feel completely disconnected from the school I attended.

C'est la vie...

I’ve been pretty vocal as well crimsonaudio. For me it’s such a different environment in college football now. I just can’t be as invested as I once was. I’m not going to repeat all the reasons I feel that way. It’s not about today’s loss for me…it’s about a lack of love for what the sport has become. I’m in my 70’s and I just can’t rise and fall with a sport I’m not in love with anymore.

 

[bamaga]

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100%. Deboer is a loyalty first guy, maybe that is the big mistake...we needed to bring in better players on the DL and OL but he stuck with who we had last season for the most part...and both of those were second-best to FSU yesterday..

As a P4-5 coach , Gus has won only 55% of his conference games. Not exactly setting the world on fire . His HS offense can be defended . For some reason, That script A brings out the best in him. I think he saves special plays for Alabama . Not having the big , collapse the interior Dlinemen made this a bad matchup, as disrupting the timing of all those TRICKERATIONS, and taking away the inside runs leaving the backers and safeties to defend the perimeter was key. That and discipline same as defending the triple option

 

[Easttexastide]

Slept on it
Defensive scheme is horrible. Players constantly out of position we have a front 5-6 the offense has at least 6 to block are guys sometimes 7. If the swarm d was so good Womack wouldn't have been at South Alabama. Everyone uses the vandy game and exploits it. It not rocket scientist work you have to adjust.
Our db's are suppose to be our strength but we scared to leave them on a island and play man?
We have no pass rush our end edge players are poorly coach same as last year they chase and end up out of position. When no one is blocking you just wait it's coming our guys crash inside while wait for it here comes the ball..
Linebacker play was horrible no angles we take angles like pop warner players. How can guys take a step back that's on the coaching we look worse then last year.

I'm not political but I've studied people culture and way of life for many years Deboer can not handle these guys he is way to different he might as well be from another country because his style his culture will never translate here. He is a outsider he might even win here but these players will never reach full potential with a mid western nice guy like him.

 

[CB4]

I attended my first Bama game in 1968 as an eight year old. I’ve been a loyal, dye in the wool, unapologetic Crimson Tide loyalist ever since. It didn’t matter the game or the odds or the “hill to be climbed”. I always believed the team could find a way to win. A true “fanatic” in every sense of the word.

Yesterday I only checked the game periodically. Didn’t watch the game. Checked play by play on ESPN gametrack and followed reaction on the game thread. By the end of the third quarter, I was done. I took the grandkids to the park.

Bama football, you’ve lost me after almost 60 years.

CKD ain’t going nowhere. So I guess I am. The problem for Alabama football is “what if you start losing more of the fanbase similar to me?” What happens when BDS has more Tennessee or Georgia or Texas fans in it than Bama fans?

How much has it cost you then?

I’m not advocating to can CKD. But at some point Byrne and the PTB need to show him a great big chart of his “career path” thus far with a great big star and a downward pointing arrow that says “YOU ARE HERE” and ask him “what are you going to CHANGE to fix it?”

 

[JDCrimson]

We got beat by a Mickey Mouse offense because our defense was even more Mickey Mouse...

 

[Tidewater]

Cecil Hurt said you don't change coaches bc of who you can get. You change coaches when you become convinced that the one you have is not the right one. In other words, once you know you got the wrong coach, then you change. No sense in keeping the wrong coach just bc you don't know who you can get. I'm not advocating changing coaches. Just saying I thought Cecil's logic made a lot of sense.

For the record, I am not advocating showing Coach DeBoer the door.
That said, here are the figures:
"If DeBoer is fired 'without cause,' he would earn 90% of his remaining deal in monthly installments through the end of his contract term. He's currently eight months into the second year of his deal, which would mean his buyout if he's fired during the regular season is just about $63 million (90% of the remaining amount). If he's fired on Dec. 1, 2025, it would be approximately $60 million."

First, well done Jimmy Sexton at representing your clients.
Second, the structure of that (90% of salary in monthly installments even if fired) means two things:
1. You do not save a lot of money depending on when you let the guy go. It is not $50 million today and $20 million October 1st). It seems like a glide path to zero. When coach gets to 50% of his contract remaining, his buyout is 45%. At 25% of the contract, 22.5% of the buyout.
2. Second, only someone with an inside look at the finances of the program can make that determination as to what Alabama can pay.

At some point you start working your way down a list of bad options. If this lackadaisical play on the field continues, good players will seek greener pastures, losses pile up, more players leave. 7-5 this year, 6-6 next 4-8 in 2027 (for the sake of argument). If you save the buyout by simply not renewing the contract, players know there will be a coaching change so they do not come at all.

If you let a coach go too early, then you are paying multiple head coaches (like UTe and the Barn were doing when they were on the head coach roller coaster).

Like I said above, "Working our way down a list of bad options."

In conclusion, I am not advocating firing coach DeBoer. Not yet.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

the noles will finish 9-3 losing to mami, clempson and Florida

 

[Con]

I have said this numerous times over the years but Saban gets the “Bear” treatment that older crowd constantly beats their chest with in which there can never be a truly objective analysis on the actual decline of the dynasty because of the accomplishments that they made in the run. Dynasty’s don’t decline under a cliff like Max Kellerman thinks. They decline usually under championship seasons. I put the decline at the “2nd and 27” game. Yes we won a championship but after that night Saban shifted focus onto recruiters over talent development coaches. We suddenly stopped getting aces in coaching and started to get guys like Locks and Pete. Since 2018 everyone has been killing us at getting can’t miss DLinemen. Why? Because we had no one at Alabama since then can develop them. Why did saban go this route? Because he was constantly having to replace ace coaches every year because everyone wanted them as head coaches or coordinators. Saban chose comfort with recruiting over the stresses of constantly having to replace ace staff.

Saban teams from 21-23 were constantly high in penalties and had extreme difficulties on the road in SEC play. So it’s not new for us to field undisciplined teams and struggle on the road. What’s new is that we can’t seem to make halftime adjustments and we lose more of them. But again having Bryce young masks a lot.

You hit the nail on the head @81usaf92! We have been seeing the lack of discipline a lot more over the last 4-5 years. The stupid penalties like hitting them out of bounds or trying to drive the QB further in the ground when he is down are what kill me. I can at least understand the pass interference ones because they are at least effort plays and that has been going on forever.

I was so excited yesterday watching our opening series on offense. I was thinking, crap, we are going to be very good if we can keep this up.” Then we let them have a 1st down because of a penalty or they were going to be in trouble putting their defense back on the field. We just looked bad from that point on.

 

[teamplayer]

Enjoy this stat


Castellanos had promised a win, saying in June he saw no way Alabama could stop him. Lo and behold, he was right. The signal-caller who was benched at Boston College in November ran all over an Alabama defense that seemed utterly flustered at times, despite FSU's game plan including just 14 pass attempts, nine of which were completions.

We are quickly becoming a punching bag and laughing stock. The defense is a joke, and we're soft on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. We'll see if they can fix it. I have my doubts, but I hope they prove me wrong.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

For the record, I am not advocating showing Coach DeBoer the door.
That said, here are the figures:
"If DeBoer is fired 'without cause,' he would earn 90% of his remaining deal in monthly installments through the end of his contract term. He's currently eight months into the second year of his deal, which would mean his buyout if he's fired during the regular season is just about $63 million (90% of the remaining amount). If he's fired on Dec. 1, 2025, it would be approximately $60 million."

First, well done Jimmy Sexton at representing your clients.
Second, the structure of that (90% of salary in monthly installments even if fired) means two things:
1. You do not save a lot of money depending on when you let the guy go. It is not $50 million today and $20 million October 1st). It seems like a glide path to zero. When coach gets to 50% of his contract remaining, his buyout is 50%. At 25% of the contract, 25% of the buyout.
2. Second, only someone with an inside look at the finances of the program can make that determination as to what Alabama can pay.

At some point you start working your way down a list of bad options. If this lackadaisical play on the field continues, good players will seek greener pastures, losses pile up, more players leave. 7-5 this year, 6-6 next 4-8 in 2027 (for the sake of argument). If you save the buyout by simply not renewing the contract, players know there will be a coaching change so they do not come at all.

If you let a coach go too early, then you are paying multiple head coaches (like UTe and the Barn were doing when they were on the head coach roller coaster).

Like I said above, "Working our way down a list of bad options."

In conclusion, I am not advocating firing coach DeBoer. Not yet.

We're stuck with the guy for three years. We're 8-4 at best with this regime.

 

[RammerJammer15]

We are quickly becoming a punching bag and laughing stock. The defense is a joke, and we're soft on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. We'll see if they can fix it. I have my doubts, but I hope they prove me wrong.

The game was lost for teams the moment they stepped off the bus cause that script A caused so much fear in teams, teams don’t fear the script A no more, in fact they look forward to the seeing the script A cause they smell blood.

 

[Tug Tide]

I’d love to know the definition of “without cause” in these contracts.

 

[teamplayer]

We got beat by a Mickey Mouse offense because our defense was even more Mickey Mouse...

So, are you saying our defense was Minnie Mouse? That sounds about right.

 

[RammerJammer15]

This was a loss for people like me who were willing to give DeBoer grace for last year but this was inexcusable, not just the loss but the effort, how soft we looked, not saying he should be fired but the temperature will keep rising on that seat if we continue to look pedestrian against FBS opponents.

 

[OconeeTide]

For the record, I am not advocating showing Coach DeBoer the door.
That said, here are the figures:
"If DeBoer is fired 'without cause,' he would earn 90% of his remaining deal in monthly installments through the end of his contract term. He's currently eight months into the second year of his deal, which would mean his buyout if he's fired during the regular season is just about $63 million (90% of the remaining amount). If he's fired on Dec. 1, 2025, it would be approximately $60 million."

First, well done Jimmy Sexton at representing your clients.
Second, the structure of that (90% of salary in monthly installments even if fired) means two things:
1. You do not save a lot of money depending on when you let the guy go. It is not $50 million today and $20 million October 1st). It seems like a glide path to zero. When coach gets to 50% of his contract remaining, his buyout is 50%. At 25% of the contract, 25% of the buyout.
2. Second, only someone with an inside look at the finances of the program can make that determination as to what Alabama can pay.

At some point you start working your way down a list of bad options. If this lackadaisical play on the field continues, good players will seek greener pastures, losses pile up, more players leave. 7-5 this year, 6-6 next 4-8 in 2027 (for the sake of argument). If you save the buyout by simply not renewing the contract, players know there will be a coaching change so they do not come at all.

If you let a coach go too early, then you are paying multiple head coaches (like UTe and the Barn were doing when they were on the head coach roller coaster).

Like I said above, "Working our way down a list of bad options."

In conclusion, I am not advocating firing coach DeBoer. Not yet.

Do you think there would be a scenario where they get rid of him this season?
If our downward trajectory continues do you think he would survive year 3?