Yep. The other problem with this is opposing defenses know exactly when to fire off, negating one advantage that you can have as an offense
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The one thing about a cynic is eventually he will be right. At some point whether it's now or a few years from now Saban won't be able to rebuild it. Time and age gets us all.
I'm not sure why but from the day Saban arrived at Bama fans and media have questioned how much longer he plans on coaching, whether he will stay at Bama, etc. The man arrived at Bama at age 55 and people were thinking even back then he might retire at 60.
I just want him to do what's right for him and his family at this stage in life. If that's to keep coaching then do what's necessary to move the program forward.
I'm not sure why but from the day Saban arrived at Bama fans and media have questioned how much longer he plans on coaching, whether he will stay at Bama, etc. The man arrived at Bama at age 55 and people were thinking even back then he might retire at 60.
I just want him to do what's right for him and his family at this stage in life. If that's to keep coaching then do what's necessary to move the program forward.
There’s definitely a difference between being tied and ahead by 1.
The more I read this the more I think Saban knows what needs to be done and will do it after the season.
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Everything Nick Saban said after Alabama’s loss to LSU
With a second loss on the season, Alabama is probably not making the College Football Playoff. What did Nick Saban have to say after the road loss to LSU?
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i used to think same and like NIL impact etc are just excuses to make us feel better
It doesnt affect other teams and there are teams like Georgia for example which still play physical
Do you think Coach Saban should leave and or retire since he has lost 2 games this year?
Comparing those coaches to Coach Saban is not even close to an apples to apples comparison on many levels.
The end of Joe Paterno was a child sex scandal that in reality probably went back as far as 1969 and possibly continued up until close to his termination.
Bowden may have held on too long but again Saban does not give the appearance that he is the type to do this based on comments he has made.
Keep in mind that Coach Saban is one year removed from a national championship game, baring injury we would have won, evidenced by the seccg, and currently has the #1 recruiting class for 2023 and the #1 class 7 of the last 10 years.
At BAMA he currently has:
6 National Championships (2009, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2017, 2020)
8 SEC (2009, 2012, 2014–2016, 2018, 2020–2021)
11 SEC Western Division (2008-2009, 2012–2018, 2020–2021)
Overall he has more of each category.
IMO this compared with the incredibly positive impact he has had on the university, other sports, community, state etc. buys him a lifetime pass, and we are talking about criticism from coaching, not a scandal or some sort of illegal activity. As long as he wants to coach, I for one, am happy to have him and feel that he has earned it.
*IMO is in my opinion not that I am right just my opinion. Much like raw onions suck.
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He earned himself a Larry Brown-Rick Pitino reputation. We can argue whether it was fair or not, but he did.
Toledo - one year
Cleveland Browns - four years
Michigan State - five years
LSU - five years
At this point there's nothing unusual at all about his career progression. He pole vaulted to the NFL (perhaps based on name recognition - but he'd also been there with the Oilers previously). You can say, "hey, the guy wanted to be a head coach, he had been on a Rose Bowl champion staff at MSU, makes total sense."
The move to LSU from Sparty back then was a move upward if not as much as it would have been a decade later thanks to him.
And then he went to the NFL in Miami. NOTHING in Saban's career AT THAT POINT was out of the ordinary. But then - even though he wasn't the first to ever do this - he uttered that memorable phrase of "I'm not gonna be the Alabama coach," and he had the misfortune of doing it right as the Internet had been around a decade and was getting smoother...You Tube had come out a couple of years earlier....and the I phone was about to come out, social media had begun with things like My Space.
It was easier for people to share what he said and call him a liar. Throw into the mix, "Damn, he's replacing the fired son of the legendary coach of the NFL team he's jilting" and you've got a good soap opera. Some of it was timing, some was the story - and let's be blunt, the people who cover sports aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer most of the time.
Throw in the fact we have a fan base that often acts like a lifelong drunk with the DTs strung out on cocaine at the voices they hear in their heads (to the point of one idiot poisoning the trees at Auburn)....and you've got a ready made troll job for a reporter waiting to hit the bar at 3 pm.
(Lewis Grizzard was a sportswriter for many years before he was writing comedy. He admitted that the way they sometimes got stories was to call up the Braves GM and say, "Any truth to the rumor y'all are trading Dale Murphy to Tyson Chicken for a chef to be named later?" And the Braves manager says, "Whoever said that is a lying polecat." Then, you run a banner headline on the front of the sports page that says, "Braves GM Denies Murphy Trade Rumors." This was trolling before the internet and also a cheap way to ensure you had material for the newspaper).
So once he built Alabama into the powerhouse - as he had done LSU - the stories about things he was rumored to say (none of which I ever heard him say) like "I'm a builder, not a sustainer" and a bunch of other things gave rise to the "Saban to Texas" rumors. A buddy of mine insisted in 2011 that Saban was coming and gave me the taunting drill of "we can pay him more than y'all can and he's a mercenary." Again, I don't know how that stuff gets started.
The only move in Saban's entire career since he started as a head coach that YOU MIGHT call a downgrade or at best lateral move is Miami to Alabama. And given what he did - even that one is arguable.
(Saban was not nearly as bad an NFL coach as everyone wishes to pretend he was, either. He was 15-14 when the rumors got out and may well have affected his team and coaching. His hired predecessor Dave Wannstedt was 11-14 in his last 25 when he resigned and didn't make the playoffs, either. HIS predecessor - Jimmy Johnson, an NFL Hall of Famer - was 16-13 in his last 29 games at Miami....the last one a 62-7 wipeout. And unlike Saban, Johnson and Wannstedt both inherited playoff-level teams).
If Saban resigned this morning, he's still the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.
After marinating on it overnight, I don’t feel any better about any of it.
The sad thing is my immediate reaction after they got that 2 point play to win was relief. Relief that we don’t have to keep propping up this dead carcass every weekend.
No I never enjoy losing. But this rotted out program is not getting fixed this season. Coach Saban can either clean house or burn down with it.
Yeah I realize we are 7-2, and lost the 2 games by 4 points. But we were no closer to a championship team this year than Vanderbilt.
I do not know why we are so weak minded as a team but I do know it is coaching.
I kept seeing 2010 mentioned last night. The 2010 team would drag this team up and down the field like a rag doll.
I hate it that it has become NC or bust but that’s what Nick Saban has built. In past seasons, only injuries could derail us. But that hasn’t been the case this season. Oh I know Bryce isn’t 100 %. But that’s not why we’ve lost or underperformed.
We are at a crossroads. I hope we make the right turns. I remember the Mike years well. I sure don’t want to go back.
The sad thing is my immediate reaction after they got that 2 point play to win was relief. Relief that we don’t have to keep propping up this dead carcass every weekend.
No I never enjoy losing. But this rotted out program is not getting fixed this season. Coach Saban can either clean house or burn down with it.
Yeah I realize we are 7-2, and lost the 2 games by 4 points. But we were no closer to a championship team this year than Vanderbilt.
I do not know why we are so weak minded as a team but I do know it is coaching.
I kept seeing 2010 mentioned last night. The 2010 team would drag this team up and down the field like a rag doll.
I hate it that it has become NC or bust but that’s what Nick Saban has built. In past seasons, only injuries could derail us. But that hasn’t been the case this season. Oh I know Bryce isn’t 100 %. But that’s not why we’ve lost or underperformed.
We are at a crossroads. I hope we make the right turns. I remember the Mike years well. I sure don’t want to go back.
No, I really don't as long as he is willing to make the changes necessary to keep winning. But, if he feels like BOB, Golding and the current S&C program are the way forward then we definitely need to question Saban's judgement.
“Rotting carcass” is a bit strong. This group of players are a defensive and offensive coordinator away from back to back playoff championship appearances. Rotting carcasses aren’t four points from being undefeated. Changes have to absolutely be made, but the idea that this team is rotten is a little bit extreme.
Jess’ write up describes the necessary actions as “surgical “, and he’s right. Cut the coordinators out and these young men will take on the characteristics of the new ones. You can see that in the defense as a whole, and the offensive line over the past few years. Saban has injected life into the line, and the players coming in will benefit from the new coach. Let’s hope the defense and offense as a whole can do the same.
One of the few lowlights of CNS’s tenure is losing close games like the one we saw last night, and CBS, Espn, etc will never let us forget about them. Did anyone else catch Kirkstreet saying, “unfortunately I had to be there for that one” when the subject of us beating Norte Dame almost 10 years ago came up? Why can’t the media respect our unprecedented success as much as they celebrate our losses? I guess the flagship university of our much joked about state just isn’t supposed to have a successful football program.
Did Dalcourt get any PT at center last night? I think our pass protection would have been better with him in there. Any advantage McLaughlin gives us in the run game was negated last night. I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw the block in the back no-call on lsu’s OT score. I doubt it would have mattered, but who knows? Maybe they would have had an unforced turnover on the next play. It’s a shame we‘ll never know.
This may turn out to be a good-but-not-great season, especially if we win against our in-state rival (no guarantee, I know). Don‘t get me wrong- I’m just as disappointed with our 2 losses as everyone here, and I want us to win every game by 5 TDs minimum. At the same time I understand that perfection is difficult to achieve.
Did Dalcourt get any PT at center last night? I think our pass protection would have been better with him in there. Any advantage McLaughlin gives us in the run game was negated last night. I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw the block in the back no-call on lsu’s OT score. I doubt it would have mattered, but who knows? Maybe they would have had an unforced turnover on the next play. It’s a shame we‘ll never know.
This may turn out to be a good-but-not-great season, especially if we win against our in-state rival (no guarantee, I know). Don‘t get me wrong- I’m just as disappointed with our 2 losses as everyone here, and I want us to win every game by 5 TDs minimum. At the same time I understand that perfection is difficult to achieve.
I’m certainly not calling for Saban to leave. He just needs to fire a couple of incompetent coaches and replace them with someone better. Some of the position coaches may need to go, too. There must be some great young talent who would be eager for the opportunity.
We really should be 5-4. It’s more than the coordinators at this point although maybe the coordinators are the roots of the issue. What makes me use the harsh language are the complete lack of discipline and mental toughness, the utter lack of anything resembling sound game plans and adjustments, and the fact that this has gone on for 2 seasons.
What gives me confidence that the talent is actually not the issue. Indeed if our talent was overrated we would be 4-5 and wouldn’t have come close to the NC last year.
We could also only have one loss, or be undefeated. The margin is thin at this point, and the coordinators actually have made the margin thinner.
I did a search and found this site. https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/ Please delete if not allowed.
Very dubious data, IMO. Colleges have not released this data to anyone.
First offensive series we throw an interception in the end zone, I said “why aren’t we running the ball”, three more series of three and out, all dropped passes, or misplaced throws. I said it again, why aren’t we running the ball. Finally started running the ball but it was the 4th quarter and obviously too late.
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