Bama Game Thread: Official Postgame Thread - Bama vs. USF...

[crimsonaudio]

Nobody is perfect.

I really don't even understand why you are taking the discussion in this direction because I know I've seen you criticize late career CNS.

Sure, I've no issue with looking at the data and coming up with conclusion based on evidence.

But we're literally TWO GAMES into the CKD era and many of y'all are acting like the book is written. It's ludicrous.

Like, it's literally the right thing to do to say "I don't understand why these two highly successful coaches have both chosen the same starter, I don't see what they're seeing."

But many of you are literally questioning CKD already when his decision miraculously mirrors CNS's - as if you somehow see things they do not. Unless you're some shadow account for an amazing OC, he's forgotten more about fielding an offense than you will ever know.

Show some humility. It's okay to doubt without making sweeping statements about motivation or potential outcomes. I have no idea what JM will do for Bama this season, but I know that both Saban and DeBoer know far, FAR more about football that I ever will, so I trust in their leadership.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I don’t think I would ever wish Bama to lose just so an unproven player can get extra reps for next year. I can’t wrap my head around that thinking.

I'd rather lose a battle (one or two games) but win the war (National Championship).

I'd ideally like to lose no battles and win the war but I just don't see how that happens.

 

[GboyBama]

I'd rather lose a battle (one or two games) but win the war (National Championship).

I'd ideally like to lose no battles and win the war but I just don't see how that happens.

Is our memory so short? Didn't our current QB most recently take us into playoff overtime with the eventual (cheating) national champions?

I mean, that happened right?

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Is our memory so short? Didn't our current QB most recently take us into playoff overtime with the eventual (cheating) national champions?

I mean, that happened right?

Are you for real?

We were lucky to even be in that game because of how stupid Kirby was in playing a 2 spy defense against us in the SECCG.

We were lucky to even get by AU.

Not to mention it took an external event (FSU's QB getting hurt) to still even get us into the playoff.

JM played HORRIBLE vs Mich. btw.

He didn't take us anywhere.... we got where we did in spite of him.

 

[RammerJammer14]

It's insane how the internet has empowered people who have virtually no experience to impugn the incredible expierience of coaches like Saban and DeBoer.

It's literally insane. These people think that watching a game once per week gives them greater insight than the man whose career hinges 100% on football, who (due to their expertise) makes more in ONE YEAR than most here will make in their entire lifetime of work...

But yeah, keep reaching about how two of the greatest coaches in the last few decades have been bamboozled while you figured it out. The hubris is absolutely incredible.

It ain’t got nothin to do with the internet. Just a different medium.

 

[GboyBama]

Maybe some of the disconnect here is because some folks think the QB is everything. High snaps, bad gameplan, holding calls, team lacking in motivation, opponent overperformance, the weather... All controlled by the quarterback with no deeper explanation at all!

Unless it's the second stringer. He's awesome.

 

[Con]

I long for the days of our Achilles heal being our kicker, not our offensive line.

Man don’t call that up again. lol

 

[Power Eye]

Umm. The team which I watched last night cannot beat Wisconsin, or Georgia, or Tennessee.

You're right about Georgia and Tennessee. They might not even be able to beat Missouri, but Wisconsin has not played well this year.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

You're right about Georgia and Tennessee. They might not even be able to beat Missouri, but Wisconsin has not played well this year.

I forgot we play Missouri and they are for sure a Good team.

@Tenn, vs Mizzou, @LSU is a brutal 3 game stretch.

 

[bamaga]

At the snap 56 not aware of his assignment, disregards defensive tackle in front if him
leaves running back to block a defensive tackle , four guys block 2 defenders , with basically 2 linemen blocking no one, meanwhile Jalen is running for his life.
simulated pressure is real, eventually 6 come , but not until Jalen is chased out if the pocket and throws the ball away on 3rd and 5 . Typical offensive line issues going back at least 3 years now

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

Finebaum said this morning (paraphrase):

"The South Florida game didn't mean anything last year and it doesn't mean anything this year. The fact that Alabama scored so many points in the last six minutes probably says more than anything else."

 

[mlh]

This photo may be deceptive. It looks to me like he has a pocket to his right. If he would step up, then drift to the left, he would have time to find an open receiver rather than "running for his life."

But I'm probably wrong.

 

[BamaMoon]

The arrogance that some of the posters have is astonishing. They literally believe they see more than Saband and DeBoer. SMH

I respect you as an AdMin and poster, but I have a humble question:

Is this any different than the year we stumbled along with Jalen Hurts when most people on this board thought it was time for a change? It seems the board was right, but it took the GOAT forever to see it.

BTW, I'm not comparing Ty to Tua, but isn't it part of what we do on platforms like this to question these kind of things?

 

[BamaMoon]

Maybe some of the disconnect here is because some folks think the QB is everything.

Did you watch game day Saturday morning?

CNS was asked by another person on the set about this and he said (paraphrased) "Having the right QB is the most important part of success" (I tried to look up the video but couldn't find it or else I'd link it).

 

[AlexanderFan]

This photo may be deceptive. It looks to me like he has a pocket to his right. If he would step up, then drift to the left, he would have time to find an open receiver rather than "running for his life."

But I'm probably wrong.

And the receiver on the right of the screen is breaking to the middle of the field where only the ref is standing. So potentially an open guy to throw it to.

It’s becoming obvious that criticizing Milroe without a resume proving you have offensive coordinator experience is a no no.

So Whatever. Let them have their quarterback.

 

[GboyBama]

Did you watch game day Saturday morning?

CNS was asked by another person on the set about this and he said (paraphrased) "Having the right QB is the most important part of success" (I tried to look up the video but couldn't find it or else I'd link it).

Very fair, but I didn't question whether the quarterback is most important, I questioned that some people think he's everything - that our success exists in a vacuum where only he is responsible for the bad things that happen to us. Also, for some reason, any success we have, these people never attribute it to him, but to "luck."

 

[crimsonaudio]

I respect you as an AdMin and poster, but I have a humble question:

Is this any different than the year we stumbled along with Jalen Hurts when most people on this board thought it was time for a change? It seems the board was right, but it took the GOAT forever to see it.

BTW, I'm not comparing Ty to Tua, but isn't it part of what we do on platforms like this to question these kind of things?

I'm just a poster, my position has nothing to do with my opinion here.

Here's why I think it's different than Hurts - we now have TWO highly successful HCs who have made JM the starter and stuck with him. I can see it if one (CNS) was prone to gravitating toward seniority (which he was), but both of them are somehow making the same mistake? I don't see that. Combine that with the fact they see these guys every day, every rep, and they understand the intricacies of the sport at a far greater depth than anyone posting here on TF.com and it starts getting irritating.

I mean, CKD is obviously intelligent, has won everywhere he's been, is considered one of the premier offensive minds in CFB - and this is his career. He's making huge sums of money and feels pressure like none of us and he's chosen JM as the starter.

Part of what I dislike about the internet is that the 'give and take of opinions' (which I love) has given rise to people who think they know more than actual experts. It happens in all fields, but this one is particularly obvious.

There was a play where some people blasted JM for taking a sack in the game when he actually played it correctly, allowing the RB to pick up the LB blitz in the A-gap while sliding away from it, but the LT got beat so it appeared that he ran into the sack. That was 100% on the OL but JM got blamed. That kind of thing happened over and over this past weekend, yet 95% of the criticism was on the QB, despite the fact that the overall play lept up about 10 notches when the LT was replaced.

I want everyone to feel comfortable sharing their views/opinions here, but when we start having folks saying "player x has bamboozled two coaching staffs" and similar things, I just have to speak up. The sheer hubris to suggest that some random fan who sees these players for 60-80 snaps a week has more insight than the multiple experts who see everything they do throughout the week needs some pushback.

We all get fristrated when we feel the team isn't operating near peak efficiency, but man, we get it. Some of these guys blow up every thread and tread dangerously close to being overly harsh in their criticism of JM.

RTR

 

[TD7]

At the snap 56 not aware of his assignment, disregards defensive tackle in front if himView attachment 45481
leaves running back to block a defensive tackle , four guys block 2 defenders , with basically 2 linemen blocking no one, meanwhile Jalen is running for his life. View attachment 45482
simulated pressure is real, eventually 6 come , but not until Jalen is chased out if the pocket and throws the ball away on 3rd and 5 . Typical offensive line issues going back at least 3 years now

The reason you're seeing it this way is because it looks like a slide protection was called to the right either by the quarterback, or the OC. The free rusher is the running back's responsibility to pick up once they slide to either side. Millroe, as the quarterback should absolutely know which side the back is having to pick up the rusher and therefore adjust accordingly and get the ball out of his hands quickly.

 

[crimsonaudio]

It’s becoming obvious that criticizing Milroe without a resume proving you have offensive coordinator experience is a no no.

So Whatever. Let them have their quarterback.

That's not at all what I'm saying, so drop the straw man.

I've said over and over the constant harping on JM is the issue. This is a team sport, and for every JM issue you can point out, I could point out an OL issue. But it's easy (and even lazy at times) to just blame the QB.

I wish JM was better. I see his flaws, and I worry that Bama cannot achieve their goals with him as QB. But near-constant bagging him on every (possible) missed pass, read, etc. isn't accomplishing anything.

 

[bamaga]

This photo may be deceptive. It looks to me like he has a pocket to his right. If he would step up, then drift to the left, he would have time to find an open receiver rather than "running for his life."

But I'm probably wrong.

I though it may be a rolling pocket, but if thats the case , 56 has to at least chip the DT, you cant expect a 215lb RB to block a 290 lb DT , and he didnt, he slowed him . 52 was completely beat by the speed rush and the linebacker behind the crashing DT came as well. There was a play to be made , off screen top right a receiver was running an out and the DB was playing soft . Im thinking the inside slant was not there because the mid level backer in the throwing lane.

All that said, before the play, i saw no oline communication. Maybe it was a stunt rolling pocket so they didnt want to tip it off. I think the biggest issue was players not used to olaying in those positions.