Officiating - Bama vs. OU...

[jthomas666]

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I knew it was going to be a bad officiated game when took an hour and seven minutes to figure out the fumble. Espn literally ran out of commercials.

Watching the replay, I got the sense that the officials didn't even think a fumble had occurred until after the whistle had blown and the OU came out of the pile with the ball.

 

[B1GTide]

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I saw on SEC Nation that RD said he took his helmet off because he thought the flag was on him. I don’t remember a flag being thrown before he took his helmet off, but either way, he shouldn’t have done it. The officiating was crap all game, however. I mean you call a backwards pass that’s ruled a TD that has to be reviewed when it’s 2 yards in front of the LOS.

JMO, but I think that he took his helmet off throwing a hissy fit because the officials did not call Murray down quickly enough. He hit Murray and Murray went down, but they were slow with the whistle or he didn't hear it - either way, he wanted the sack and didn't think he was going to get it.

Turns out that they did blow it dead. Instead of a huge loss, he gave OU 15 yards and a 1st down. He will learn from that.

 

[Skeeterpop]

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I wont go into specifics but this may shed a little light on the subject. I know first hand what many of the crews are being told in Championship and playoff games.

They are being instructed to not call any offensive penalties that dont immediately affect a play or are not clearly visable infractions like offsides, roughing, delay of game or illegal formations. Also, they make certain infractions a focus for each offical depending on their responsibilities. The others are told not to call a certain type penalty unless its visibly flagrant. The way they are teaching officials now the only fouls every ref is instructed to call and watch for is late hits, face mask and targeting.

So what you get is 7-8 refs with tunnel vision and only looking for 3-4 infractions and not really paying attention to the rest because that call is for another ref to make and his responsibility.

They are told flags are a disruption to the game and if an obvious foul is being made every play dont call it. Because they will then be determining the game. Think of it like a balk in baseball. If its the pitchers natural motion they dont call it even if it’s technically a balk according to the rules.

I have also heard with my own ears the head official tell his crew that one team has a dominant position group and don’t contribute to their dominance by calling lots of penalties on the opposing team.

Basically they dont call by the rule book anymore. They call by the match up and the flagrant and immediate impact of a foul. Which is absurd but you can tell from all of football this is being taught and enforced in all of football nowdays.

 

[Ping Pong Champ]

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IMO, the zebras seem to want to make the game closer. I quit watching basketball because the trailing team got all the calls. Remember the Dwayne Wade foul when no one was within 6 feet of him? The illegal formation penalty was a joke. They missed numerous obvious holding calls. The lack of a PI or holding call when their corner held our receiver 3 times on a 12 yard route was atrocious. What game were they watching?

 

[tide power fan]

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I hate complaining about the Ref's, they seemed to be fair until we got the big lead, after that
it appeared to me they didn't want the score to get out of hand. They seem to manage to keep drives alive for OK and tried to call anything against Bama. That's just me, I don't like to complain about the officials.

 

[Jessica4Bama]

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JMO, but I think that he took his helmet off throwing a hissy fit because the officials did not call Murray down quickly enough. He hit Murray and Murray went down, but they were slow with the whistle or he didn't hear it - either way, he wanted the sack and didn't think he was going to get it.

Turns out that they did blow it dead. Instead of a huge loss, he gave OU 15 yards and a 1st down. He will learn from that.

I thought so too, but just going by his own words on the set of SEC Nation. I don’t think he’d admit if it wasn’t what we all thought.

 

[Ledsteplin]

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FPF was exactly what I meant. So you're saying that, if a player jumps on an opposing player's back while he's on the ground and punches him, then you don't count that as "flagrant?" If so, I'm certainly glad you're not officiating in the SEC. I don't think he would have gotten away with it, even with them...

I was watching the replay, and it didn't appear to me he punched Q. It looked like he just rolled him away from the quarterback. I'll need to see it when I can back it up and freeze frame.

 

[NationalTitles18]

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I hate complaining about the Ref's, they seemed to be fair until we got the big lead, after that
it appeared to me they didn't want the score to get out of hand. They seem to manage to keep drives alive for OK and tried to call anything against Bama. That's just me, I don't like to complain about the officials.

I generally feel the same way, but at some point is gets ridiculous.

I'll reiterate that officials losing control of the game (allowing the chippiness and uncalled personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct) is a more egregious offense than missed calls. Someone is going to get badly hurt from these yahoos letting things get out of hand and it will be on their head.

 

[B1GTide]

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I was watching the replay, and it didn't appear to me he punched Q. It looked like he just rolled him away from the quarterback. I'll need to see it when I can back it up and freeze frame.

He did not punch him, but that is clearly against the rules. It is against the rules to plow into a pile after the play is dead to remove a player. That is what he did.

 

[bamaga]

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I don’t know, it looks like it may of been a good call, his helmet was up. In Wills defense , he lines up on the right guard and 70 was close to being off the line.

 

[B1GTide]

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I don’t know, it looks like it may of been a good call, his helmet was up. In Wills defense , he lines up on the right guard and 70 was close to being off the line.

I lined up a ruler with the tip of his helmet following the LOS and it is very close. Here is the rule:

The NCAA rulebook says an offensive player “is legally on his scrimmage line when he faces his opponent’s goal line with the line of his shoulders approximately parallel thereto and either he is the snapper or his head breaks the plane of the line drawn through the waistline of the snapper.”

IMO, when it is that close it should never be called.

 

[RTR91]

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I lined up a ruler with the tip of his helmet following the LOS and it is very close. Here is the rule:



IMO, when it is that close it should never be called.

Especially since that has become a very common alignment.


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[bamacon]

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Looking at that again, that was totally bogus. He was within the rule...

It would be like flagging the OL presnap for movement because they are breathing. Technically they are moving. It’s also like the center who almost always moves the ball a little before the snap. It is not always exactly where it started. They were side by side. No one was there that could have made him in an illegal spot.


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[bamacon]

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I don’t know, it looks like it may of been a good call, his helmet was up. In Wills defense , he lines up on the right guard and 70 was close to being off the line.

I think they were looking for something to call. That certainly goes against what Skeeter mentioned about the postseason philosophy of the ref crews. It really has been a free for all compared to the regular season games I’ve watched. It has been vividly different.



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[AlexanderFan]

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I was watching the replay, and it didn't appear to me he punched Q. It looked like he just rolled him away from the quarterback. I'll need to see it when I can back it up and freeze frame.

There's no freezing, he stood over Q and ducked like dribbled his head like a basketball, with the ref watching.


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[aerospace_ray]

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I generally feel the same way, but at some point is gets ridiculous.

I'll reiterate that officials losing control of the game (allowing the chippiness and uncalled personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct) is a more egregious offense than missed calls. Someone is going to get badly hurt from these yahoos letting things get out of hand and it will be on their head.

^^^^^^This 100%^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I sincerely hope there is some sort of peer review among these officiating crews by their governing bodies/organizations. Missing some calls regarding subjectivity, complexities involved with angles of the instant replay, etc are understood most of the time. However, not getting control of the game regarding sportsmanship is unacceptable. I would rather have my team flagged, warned or whatever early in the game in order to let the guys understand they must play by the rules versus what I saw last night and possibly loosing a game due to "chippiness" that was allowed to escalate...... Those refs could have issued sideline warnings, thrown some flags for unsportsmanlike conduct, etc much earlier in the game and set a precedent for expected behavior imo. RTR

 

[Ledsteplin]

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There's no freezing, he stood over Q and ducked like dribbled his head like a basketball, with the ref watching.


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You watched the replay? Maybe my eyes are worse than I thought.

 

[RTR2u]

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Officiating, to me at least, has always had questionable moments. However, it's never been as bad since what's his name? Carville? Did his thing prior to the LSU game. While outrageous, I think it caused refs circles to have an eyebrow raising moment. Just my opinion...I'm not wearing tinfoil, but it does cause me to wonder just a little.

 

[day-day]

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What point of the game was it? I want to rewatch too.

Stepped away for little; you may have seen it by now....

The hold on Wills was called during the last few minutes of the first half; maybe 2:30ish, can't remember exactly.

 

[B1GTide]

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Stepped away for little; you may have seen it by now....

The hold on Wills was called during the last few minutes of the first half; maybe 2:30ish, can't remember exactly.

Yep - it was early in the last Alabama drive of the half. Alabama overcame that one and continued the drive.