Price of gas

[Bamaro]

No, I do—but I think that fossil fuels are going to continue to be needed to meet our electricity needs, especially if everyone is plugging up their vehicles.

I would rather see fission than fossil. Neither is ideal but fossil is by far the worse.

 

[deliveryman35]

I would rather see fission than fossil. Neither is ideal but fossil is by far the worse.

No problem with that to me, but as I understand it one of the major political parties is against expansion of nuclear power—which means it will likely never happen.

 

[Tug Tide]

Overnight there was fire/explosion at Exxon Baytown refinery.

Exxon Mobil’s Baytown facility extinguishes fire that injured 4 people

The fire broke out around 1 a.m. Thursday, and the company was still fighting the flames...

www.houstonchronicle.com

4 injured reported so far.

 

[92tide]

No problem with that to me, but as I understand it one of the major political parties is against expansion of nuclear power—which means it will likely never happen.

After decades, Democrats' platform endorses nuclear energy

www.ans.org

 

[crimsonaudio]

Overnight there was fire/explosion at Exxon Baytown refinery.

Exxon Mobil’s Baytown facility extinguishes fire that injured 4 people

The fire broke out around 1 a.m. Thursday, and the company was still fighting the flames...

www.houstonchronicle.com

4 injured reported so far.

A fire at a refinery sounds like the stuff of horrors.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

A fire at a refinery sounds like the stuff of horrors.

It is - and there have been a bunch of them...

 

[Tug Tide]

Fortunately, this one was relatively minor, from what I’ve seen, as far as these things go.

A fire at a refinery sounds like the stuff of horrors.

It is - and there have been a bunch of them...

 

[TexasBama]

A fire at a refinery sounds like the stuff of horrors.

I've never been close to one one, but have seen the aftermath of a refinery/petrochem plant fire. It looks at lot like an aerial bombing. I saw the Phillips plant up close (explosion in 1989, about 28 fatalities). The military has a bomb called a FAE - Fuel/Air explosive, and it's just like that with a gaseous explosion. A liquid explosion is more like napalm.

 

[TexasBama]

Fortunately, this one was relatively minor, from what I’ve seen, as far as these things go.

Two of the four have been released from the hospital.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Nickname - "MOAB"...

 

[4Q Basket Case]

We need to come to terms with the fact that there is no free lunch.

You want cheap gasoline? OK, you can have it….if you’re good with fracking and pipelines crossing into the US, and a lot of other stuff.

Don’t forget that these and other technologies allowed the USA to be self sufficient on oil at about $75 a barrel. Which is multi-generational huge from the standpoint of national security.

You want a non-fossil-fuel automotive industry? OK, you can have it. If you’re willing to live with 45-minute fill-ups, range that fluctuates with the weather, and unreliable charging stations. Not to mention paying for the power infrastructure necessary to sustain zillions of electric cars. Or, you can pay several thousand to have the charger in your garage. Which works great until you want to go out of town.

What you can’t have is both cheap gasoline and restricted supply of fossil fuel — which is what environmental regulation does.

So make a choice. Expensive gasoline / cleaner environment / screw the little guy, or cheap gasoline / dirtier environment / cater to the gas-hogging Hemi. And once you’ve made your choice, don’t whine because you had to put up with the bad to get the good.

 

[B1GTide]

We need to come to terms with the fact that there is no free lunch.

You want cheap gasoline? OK, you can have it….if you’re good with fracking and pipelines crossing into the US, and a lot of other stuff.

Don’t forget that these and other technologies allowed the USA to be self sufficient on oil at about $75 a barrel. Which is multi-generational huge from the standpoint of national security.

You want a non-fossil-fuel automotive industry? OK, you can have it. If you’re willing to live with 45-minute fill-ups, range that fluctuates with the weather, and unreliable charging stations. Not to mention paying for the power infrastructure necessary to sustain zillions of electric cars. Or, you can pay several thousand to have the charger in your garage. Which works great until you want to go out of town.

What you can’t have is both cheap gasoline and restricted supply of fossil fuel — which is what environmental regulation does.

So make a choice. Expensive gasoline / cleaner environment / screw the little guy, or cheap gasoline / dirtier environment / cater to the gas-hogging Hemi. And once you’ve made your choice, don’t whine because you had to put up with the bad to get the good.

But, long term, you are not screwing the little guy - you are saving his life.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

But, long term, you are not screwing the little guy - you are saving his life.

Maybe his childrens’ lives, but I get what you’re saying.

My point is that you can’t logically and simultaneosuly complain about both (1) high gasoline prices, and (2) the cost and ancillary inconveniences of EVs.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Maybe his childrens’ lives, but I get what you’re saying.

My point is that you can’t logically and simultaneosuly complain about both (1) high gasoline prices, and (2) the cost and ancillary inconveniences of EVs.

Why not? Both are real problems affecting real people. People need affordable transportation options. When they aren't available complaints will ensue because people need to go places.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

Why not? Both are real problems affecting real people. People need affordable transportation options. When they aren't available complaints will ensue because people need to go places.

Because with today’s technologies, they’re mutually exclusive.

You can have cheap gasoline. It’s convenient but dirty, and requires some concessions in terms of getting the raw material out of the ground and in terms of transporting both the raw material and finished product.

You can have EVs. They’ll be clean, but have drawbacks in terms of cost and convenience. Today’s battery technology and charging infrastructure simply doesn’t support either 5-minute refueling or easy accessible stations on seemingly every other street corner and interstate exit.

 

[4Q Basket Case]

I would rather see fission than fossil. Neither is ideal but fossil is by far the worse.

I agree.

Trouble is, we’ve made it so hard to build them (time and monetary cost) that we’ve effectively regulated new ones out of existence.

 

[Bamaro]

I agree.

Trouble is, we’ve made it so hard to build them (time and monetary cost) that we’ve effectively regulated new ones out of existence.

We could learn something from the French.

 

[TexasBama]

We could learn something from the French.

they didn’t show the movie The China Syndrome in France.

 

[seebell]

they didn’t show the movie The China Syndrome in France.

I am slowly beginning to appreciate your cleverness.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Because with today’s technologies, they’re mutually exclusive.

You can have cheap gasoline. It’s convenient but dirty, and requires some concessions in terms of getting the raw material out of the ground and in terms of transporting both the raw material and finished product.

You can have EVs. They’ll be clean, but have drawbacks in terms of cost and convenience. Today’s battery technology and charging infrastructure simply doesn’t support either 5-minute refueling or easy accessible stations on seemingly every other street corner and interstate exit.

Those are the things people are complaining about and with good reason.