Question: Question about clemson lb hit on fields

[DzynKingRTR]

I’ve said it from the get go. If they would just adopt the NFL rule on targeting then no one would complain about it.

Some of those NFL guys get fined for it. Can't fine college guys.

 

[Tug Tide]

I’ve said it from the get go. If they would just adopt the NFL rule on targeting then no one would complain about it.

What’s the difference?
Honest question here

 

[81usaf92]

Some of those NFL guys get fined for it. Can't fine college guys.

I’m referring to the 2 strike flagrant and non flagrant rule. Ejection after an honest mistake is the bigger issue.

 

[81usaf92]

What’s the difference?
Honest question here

The give you two chances if you didn’t intentionally do it before tossing you. If you intentionally did it then you are tossed from the get go.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

The give you two chances if you didn’t intentionally do it before tossing you. If you intentionally did it then you are tossed from the get go.

The clempson LB was laughing about it on the sideline.

 

[Im_on_dsp]

It was not only targeting but appeared to be designed to inflict maximum force to JF, to knock him out of the game. The funny thing I was talking to my wife about Skalski being a male appendage and sure enough about 10 minutes later he did this.

 

[81usaf92]

The clempson LB was laughing about it on the sideline.

Yes and it’s encouraged by the HC and DC, but so many here want both of them here in the near future.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I’m on the opposite end of this one. I’m completely in favor of the targeting rule and I understand the definition, but sometimes fault lies with the offensive player. Fields was about 3-4 yards away and on Skalski’s right side when loaded up for the hit. If Fields would have stayed on his path this probably would have been a perfect form tackle, but he tried a juke move and spun into the hit. I’m absolutely in favor of the targeting rule, but often times offensive players draw the targeting calls because they change their trajectory or body position after the defensive player has already committed.

The defensive player can change direction if he KEEPS HIS HEAD UP LIKE HE'S SUPPOSED TO. What we saw there isn't close to a perfect form tackle.

When they lower their heads like that, yeah, the ball carrier can move and they have no idea, as they're staring at the ground instead of the guys belt buckle.

This is tackling 101, and it's shocking that we still have players at high levels of the sport who don't know better. Either Skalski is dumb as a bag of hammers or he's dirty. Or both.

 

[Con]

The defensive player can change direction if he KEEPS HIS HEAD UP LIKE HE'S SUPPOSED TO. What we saw there isn't close to a perfect form tackle.

When they lower their heads like that, yeah, the ball carrier can move and they have no idea, as they're staring at the ground instead of the guys belt buckle.

This is tackling 101, and it's shocking that we still have players at high levels of the sport who don't know better. Either Skalski is dumb as a bag of hammers or he's dirty. Or both.

I’m going with both.

 

[Tug Tide]

The give you two chances if you didn’t intentionally do it before tossing you. If you intentionally did it then you are tossed from the get go.

Thanks for that. That’s my biggest beef with the targeting at the CFB level I suppose. One mistake and you’re gone and possibly missing the next one

 

[crimsonaudio]

Thanks for that. That’s my biggest beef with the targeting at the CFB level I suppose. One mistake and you’re gone and possibly missing the next one

It's really not difficult to tackle properly. I'd bet greater than 99% of ejections come from careless / head-hunting or poor form. Correct those two things and you are very unlikely to have any issues.

 

[bamamanatpurdue]

Note I am a high school official with limited knowledge of NCAA rules. In High School the hit would not have been targeting. The Federation has a separate rule for hitting with the crown of the helmet. Also, I have seen defenders break their neck with such a hit; it reminded me of Chucky Mullins hit on the VU player.

 

[gymcoach]

I’m on the opposite end of this one. I’m completely in favor of the targeting rule and I understand the definition, but sometimes fault lies with the offensive player. Fields was about 3-4 yards away and on Skalski’s right side when loaded up for the hit. If Fields would have stayed on his path this probably would have been a perfect form tackle, but he tried a juke move and spun into the hit. I’m absolutely in favor of the targeting rule, but often times offensive players draw the targeting calls because they change their trajectory or body position after the defensive player has already committed.

So the offensive player isn’t supposed to try to avoid a tackle by juking and spinning?

 

[Tug Tide]

It's really not difficult to tackle properly. I'd bet greater than 99% of ejections come from careless / head-hunting or poor form. Correct those two things and you are very unlikely to have any issues.

I get what you’re saying and I guess if it didn’t carryover to the next game I’d feel differently

 

[superbamashane]

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nope - the penalty isn't just for hitting with the helmet. Had the clemson LB kept his head UP and hit with the facemask, it is not a penalty, therefore nothing Fields did changed that. The penalty is 100% about hitting with the crown (TOP) of the helmet.

I don’t disagree with anyone that Skalski isn’t a jerk, And that this hit will never make it into the heads up tackling manual. I also don’t disagree with the letter of the rule that it appears he led with his helmet. I’m just stating that often times players lead with their shoulder and their head gets in the way. If Fields wouldn’t have spun he likely would have taken a hard shoulder to the mid-section and this would be a completely different conversation.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

nope - the penalty isn't just for hitting with the helmet. Had the clemson LB kept his head UP and hit with the facemask, it is not a penalty, therefore nothing Fields did changed that. The penalty is 100% about hitting with the crown (TOP) of the helmet.

This is true. There is a lot of misunderstanding of the rule...

 

[81usaf92]

This is true. There is a lot of misunderstanding of the rule...

It’s because people constantly hear helmet to helmet by announcers. The issue more is launching and leading with the head more than where you are hitting. There are many times where helmet to helmet isn’t targeting.

 

[BamaDMD]

Note I am a high school official with limited knowledge of NCAA rules. In High School the hit would not have been targeting. The Federation has a separate rule for hitting with the crown of the helmet. Also, I have seen defenders break their neck with such a hit; it reminded me of Chucky Mullins hit on the VU player.

Are you referring to the hit that paralyzed Chucky Mullins at Ole Miss?

 

[bamamc1]

I remember Coach Stallings being on Finebaum one day after targeting first started to be called. You would think he would have taken the old school route but said he agreed with it entirely. He also said in his special way, "if they took the facemasks off the helmets, all of that would come to a stop in a hurry." lol

 

[TIDE-HSV]

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I don’t disagree with anyone that Skalski isn’t a jerk, And that this hit will never make it into the heads up tackling manual. I also don’t disagree with the letter of the rule that it appears he led with his helmet. I’m just stating that often times players lead with their shoulder and their head gets in the way. If Fields wouldn’t have spun he likely would have taken a hard shoulder to the mid-section and this would be a completely different conversation.

The rule is intended to put the burden on the defensive player not to lead with the crown of his helmet, which Skalski did. "If he hadn't dodged, I wouldn't have lowered my head" doesn't cut it. Even when tackling with the shoulder, the head must remain up. IOW, no excuses...