Russia Invades Ukraine XVIII

[Its On A Slab]

Welp........

“Survival kit contents check. In them you’ll find:
– One forty-five caliber automatic
– Two boxes of ammunition
– Four days’ concentrated emergency rations
– One drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills
– One miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible
– One hundred dollars in rubles
– One hundred dollars in gold
– Nine packs of chewing gum
– One issue of prophylactics
– Three lipsticks
– Three pair of nylon stockings.

Shoot, a fella’ could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.”

 

[Bazza]

“Survival kit contents check. In them you’ll find:
– One forty-five caliber automatic
– Two boxes of ammunition
– Four days’ concentrated emergency rations
– One drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills
– One miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible
– One hundred dollars in rubles
– One hundred dollars in gold
– Nine packs of chewing gum
– One issue of prophylactics
– Three lipsticks
– Three pair of nylon stockings.

Shoot, a fella’ could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.”

That movie was on just the other night - on TCM I believe - so no commercials. Oh man...what a freaking classic!

And the end song by Vera Lynn....just perfect........

 

[Tidewater]

That movie was on just the other night - on TCM I believe - so no commercials. Oh man...what a freaking classic!

And the end song by Vera Lynn....just perfect........

"Group Captain Mandrake, fix me a drink of pure grain alcohol and rainwater and have whatever you want." General Jack Ripper.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Gen. Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

 

[Tidewater]

Well, I'm curious what Trump's reaction was once Putin ordered an attack two hours after assuring him there would be no more attacks.
Vladimir Vladimirovich kinda called Trump's bluff, it would seem.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Kommersant, one of Russia’s largest newspapers, writes that Putin wants Trump to recognize the regions of Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia as parts of Russia. In return, Putin would not make any claims to Odesa and other areas of Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1902397959712477230

 

[Tidewater]

Kommersant, one of Russia’s largest newspapers, writes that Putin wants Trump to recognize the regions of Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia as parts of Russia. In return, Putin would not make any claims to Odesa and other areas of Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1902397959712477230

I do not know.
Currently, Russia holds no land in Odesa, Mikolayev, or Dnepropetrovsk, so that relinquishment is as meaningful as the US agreeing to relinquish its claim to Moscow.
Brian Kellogg's peace plan calls for the US to not recognize Russian holdings inside Ukraine. This would be a substantive concession. And really only the Ukrainians can concede that.
On the other hand, since the Ukrainians are losing ground daily, Ukraine giving up claims to land you do not currently hold is about as real a concession as Russia giving up claims to land it does not hold.If I was Trump, I would say, "Maybe, depending on the provisions of the larger peace deal."

 

[Its On A Slab]

Well, I'm curious what Trump's reaction was once Putin ordered an attack two hours after assuring him there would be no more attacks.
Vladimir Vladimirovich kinda called Trump's bluff, it would seem.

This goes back to my original point about the futility of negotiating with dictators who show no respect for it, much less treaties or sovereign nations.

Chamberlain learned that in Munich.

 

[Tidewater]

This goes back to my original point about the futility of negotiating with dictators who show no respect for it, much less treaties or sovereign nations.

Chamberlain learned that in Munich.

True, but to this point, Putin had not broken a deal he had made with Trump. He had broken other deals with other people, but not Trump. Until now.
I would like to have been a fly on the wall of the Oval Office when Trump was told about the attacks.

 

[Its On A Slab]

True, but to this point, Putin had not broken a deal he had made with Trump. He had broken other deals with other people, but not Trump. Until now.
I would like to have been a fly on the wall of the Oval Office when Trump was told about the attacks.

And we know Trump's history of making deals and never abiding by them. How many businesses has he stiffed.

They are two peas in a pod. A rotten pod at that.

 

[JDCrimson]

Putin is emasculating Trump on the world stage...

He will be a lame duck President internationally in short order...

Well, I'm curious what Trump's reaction was once Putin ordered an attack two hours after assuring him there would be no more attacks.
Vladimir Vladimirovich kinda called Trump's bluff, it would seem.

 

[JDCrimson]

Putin is just telegraphing his intentions with this requirement. He knows he will eventually take this land corridor because he has more resolve than Ukraine and its suppliers. He will propagate war as long as he is alive and in power.

He is saying give me this land corridor through diplomacy or I will take it through conquest. Take your pick...

I do not know.
Currently, Russia holds no land in Odesa, Mikolayev, or Dnepropetrovsk, so that relinquishment is as meaningful as the US agreeing to relinquish its claim to Moscow.
Brian Kellogg's peace plan calls for the US to not recognize Russian holdings inside Ukraine. This would be a substantive concession. And really only the Ukrainians can concede that.
On the other hand, since the Ukrainians are losing ground daily, Ukraine giving up claims to land you do not currently hold is about as real a concession as Russia giving up claims to land it does not hold.If I was Trump, I would say, "Maybe, depending on the provisions of the larger peace deal."

 

[Tidewater]

Putin is emasculating Trump on the world stage...

He will be a lame duck President internationally in short order...

Maybe.
Sometimes there is a difference between reality and what we wish reality to be (or what future reality will "prove" the wisdom of our prior decisions).

 

[Tidewater]

Putin is just telegraphing his intentions with this requirement. He knows he will eventually take this land corridor because he has more resolve than Ukraine and its suppliers. He will propagate war as long as he is alive and in power.

He is saying give me this land corridor through diplomacy or I will take it through conquest. Take your pick...

Maybe this will happen as well.
The Dnieper is a very wide river, difficult to ghet cross if guys on the other side are shooting at you.
On the other hand, a pretty likely outcome of the current trend lines is that eventually, the Ukrainian army will collapse all along the front and then the Russians will get across the Dnieper unopposed. In fact, the Russians will get the entire country. And that won't be good.
A real peace, at least over the next few years, is probably in Ukraine's favor because it gives them a breather to recruit, retrain, re-equip their army, rationalize their logistics (this unit has Leopard tanks, but that one has Chieftains, and the next one had Abrams, just think of the repair part nightmare)

 

[Bamaro]

Putin is emasculating Trump on the world stage...

He will be a lame duck President internationally in short order...

Putin may try to hand trump somewhat of a lifeline since to do otherwise may eliminate the usefulness of his 'useful idiot'.

 

[crimsonaudio]

The Ukrainian Army has struck the Engels-2 Airbase in Saratov, Russia which houses strategic bombers of the Russian Air Force. A huge explosion was filmed by locals, indicating that the Ukrainians probably struck a weapon depot with Russian cruise missiles.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1902650770220089631

 

[crimsonaudio]

It has now been revealed that the weapon depot struck this morning at the Russian military air base in Saratov was located right next to the runway The Engels-2 airbase is home to many of Russia’s Tu-95MS, Tu-22M3 & Tu-160 strategic bombers Many planes may have been destroyed

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1902682722566340666

 

[crimsonaudio]

Putin signs decree ordering all Ukrainians to either obtain Russian citizenship or leave the occupied territories by September 10th. If they don’t leave within 90 days, they’ll be forcibly deported He’s forcing them to choose between their homes and their citizenship

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1902782773003423927

 

[Tidewater]

The Ukrainian Army has struck the Engels-2 Airbase in Saratov, Russia which houses strategic bombers of the Russian Air Force. A huge explosion was filmed by locals, indicating that the Ukrainians probably struck a weapon depot with Russian cruise missiles.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1902650770220089631

Well, the narrative was, shall we say, "impolite."

 

[crimsonaudio]

Well, the narrative was, shall we say, "impolite."

I speak zero Russian and am always struck by how it sounds like English being played backwards.